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		<title>By: huang</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/07/18/fed-independence-too-important-to-verify/#comment-26281</link>
		<dc:creator>huang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Does The Fed Keep Its Receipts In A Little Shoebox? Probably Not &#171; Around The Sphere</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/07/18/fed-independence-too-important-to-verify/#comment-26280</link>
		<dc:creator>Does The Fed Keep Its Receipts In A Little Shoebox? Probably Not &#171; Around The Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will Wilkinson: Is the worry that no inquiry or audit could be designed that would not devolve into delegitimizing populist point-scoring or policy-warping political armtwisting? I suspect a main worry is that the Fed’s use of discretion was not independent of who in the Fed system knew whom on Wall Street, of who had what kind of pull, etc. And revealing this, even in a sober and responsible manner, would expose the Fed’s failure to act with the sort of impartiality and objectivity at the heart of any useful notion of independence. Of course, the art of central banking is the art of telling lies so that they will come true. Telling the truth about the Fed may create expectations of future partiality that will hinder the central banker’s ability to manipulate expectations in a theoretically ideal way. So the theorists band together to defend the Fed’s right to lie, or at least to stay mute when citizens are owed some justification, about its suspected partiality in the use of emergency discretion. To make this kind of defense of the importance of independence is really to defend the economic importance of maintaining the perception of independence. But this is to assume the legitimacy of useful lies, an assumption that cannot be granted merely on the basis of the self-asserted authority of “experts.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Will Wilkinson: Is the worry that no inquiry or audit could be designed that would not devolve into delegitimizing populist point-scoring or policy-warping political armtwisting? I suspect a main worry is that the Fed’s use of discretion was not independent of who in the Fed system knew whom on Wall Street, of who had what kind of pull, etc. And revealing this, even in a sober and responsible manner, would expose the Fed’s failure to act with the sort of impartiality and objectivity at the heart of any useful notion of independence. Of course, the art of central banking is the art of telling lies so that they will come true. Telling the truth about the Fed may create expectations of future partiality that will hinder the central banker’s ability to manipulate expectations in a theoretically ideal way. So the theorists band together to defend the Fed’s right to lie, or at least to stay mute when citizens are owed some justification, about its suspected partiality in the use of emergency discretion. To make this kind of defense of the importance of independence is really to defend the economic importance of maintaining the perception of independence. But this is to assume the legitimacy of useful lies, an assumption that cannot be granted merely on the basis of the self-asserted authority of “experts.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: uknowbetter</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/07/18/fed-independence-too-important-to-verify/#comment-26279</link>
		<dc:creator>uknowbetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering that the bailout of AIG was mostly a bailout for Paulson&#039;s friends at Goldman Sachs, more than one audit should be demanded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that the bailout of AIG was mostly a bailout for Paulson&#39;s friends at Goldman Sachs, more than one audit should be demanded.</p>
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		<title>By: John Markley</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/07/18/fed-independence-too-important-to-verify/#comment-26278</link>
		<dc:creator>John Markley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...and seem to have arrived at that position not through good-faith reasoning but instead through ideology and conspiracy theory.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By this standard, every political position ought to be suspect.  Everyone reaches positions via their ideology, since everyone has some mental model of social and political cause and effect. and of what&#039;s good and bad.  Ideologies themselves may be more or less reasonable and accurate, and arrived at for good or bad reasons, but the idea that someone can come to political positions through some sort of nonideological &quot;good-faith reasoning&quot; (or &quot;science,&quot; or &quot;prudence&quot; if you want the conservative version) is a dangerous, self-flattering fantasy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;and seem to have arrived at that position not through good-faith reasoning but instead through ideology and conspiracy theory.&#8221;</p>
<p>By this standard, every political position ought to be suspect.  Everyone reaches positions via their ideology, since everyone has some mental model of social and political cause and effect. and of what&#39;s good and bad.  Ideologies themselves may be more or less reasonable and accurate, and arrived at for good or bad reasons, but the idea that someone can come to political positions through some sort of nonideological &#8220;good-faith reasoning&#8221; (or &#8220;science,&#8221; or &#8220;prudence&#8221; if you want the conservative version) is a dangerous, self-flattering fantasy.</p>
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		<title>By: bkalafut</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/07/18/fed-independence-too-important-to-verify/#comment-26277</link>
		<dc:creator>bkalafut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the trouble here is that many if not most of those calling for an audit of the Fed are nearly screaming it, and seem to have arrived at that position not through good-faith reasoning but instead through ideology and conspiracy theory.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Compare it to the global warming situation.  So many say they want to learn the science, but when it comes down to it, they don&#039;t.  They just want to play &quot;gotcha&quot;! and they don&#039;t obey ordinary rules of reason or fair play.  Scientists and observers of science are thus very reluctant to engage them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You make a reasonable case, but you&#039;re in bad company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the trouble here is that many if not most of those calling for an audit of the Fed are nearly screaming it, and seem to have arrived at that position not through good-faith reasoning but instead through ideology and conspiracy theory.</p>
<p>Compare it to the global warming situation.  So many say they want to learn the science, but when it comes down to it, they don&#39;t.  They just want to play &#8220;gotcha&#8221;! and they don&#39;t obey ordinary rules of reason or fair play.  Scientists and observers of science are thus very reluctant to engage them.</p>
<p>You make a reasonable case, but you&#39;re in bad company.</p>
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		<title>By: kai</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/07/18/fed-independence-too-important-to-verify/#comment-26276</link>
		<dc:creator>kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent commentary on the economists&#039; letter by Robert Higgs,&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.org/blog/?p=2787&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.independent.org/blog/?p=2787&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent commentary on the economists&#39; letter by Robert Higgs,<br /><a href="http://www.independent.org/blog/?p=2787" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.org/blog/?p=2787</a></p>
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		<title>By: K. Larson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/07/18/fed-independence-too-important-to-verify/#comment-26275</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m reminded of my policy towards girlfriends and their pasts: Don&#039;t Ask Questions You Don&#039;t Want Answered.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What happens if we crack open the Fed&#039;s books and they&#039;re everything we&#039;ve feared? How will Washington react to the revelation that the Fed has been run, at least in part, for the benefit of well-connected financiers?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Will we get better or worse monetary policy? I&#039;d say that all the available evidence indicate we&#039;d be much worse off were congress to blast the central bank with a dose of righteous wrath and &quot;oversight.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then again, as with girlfriends, one doesn&#039;t want to be palling around with the town floozy unawares.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You point out that this isn&#039;t necessarily a binary choice, and I&#039;m not sure I agree- but even if, arguendo, we accept the proposition, isn&#039;t the question &quot;how much inflation are you willing to trade for an extra unit of bank cleanliness.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>I&#39;m reminded of my policy towards girlfriends and their pasts: Don&#39;t Ask Questions You Don&#39;t Want Answered.</p>
<p>What happens if we crack open the Fed&#39;s books and they&#39;re everything we&#39;ve feared? How will Washington react to the revelation that the Fed has been run, at least in part, for the benefit of well-connected financiers?</p>
<p>Will we get better or worse monetary policy? I&#39;d say that all the available evidence indicate we&#39;d be much worse off were congress to blast the central bank with a dose of righteous wrath and &#8220;oversight.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then again, as with girlfriends, one doesn&#39;t want to be palling around with the town floozy unawares.</p>
<p>You point out that this isn&#39;t necessarily a binary choice, and I&#39;m not sure I agree- but even if, arguendo, we accept the proposition, isn&#39;t the question &#8220;how much inflation are you willing to trade for an extra unit of bank cleanliness.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/07/18/fed-independence-too-important-to-verify/#comment-26274</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 00:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The political party is garbage.  In fact, one of the first things any &#039;real&#039; libertarian does is denounce it.  Some go so far as to say the political system itself is suspect!  I mean party here in the general sense.  We are the party of individualism after all, it&#039;s only natural that it fractures and breaks apart in a hundred ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The political party is garbage.  In fact, one of the first things any &#39;real&#39; libertarian does is denounce it.  Some go so far as to say the political system itself is suspect!  I mean party here in the general sense.  We are the party of individualism after all, it&#39;s only natural that it fractures and breaks apart in a hundred ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Quote of the day &#171; Econstudentlog</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/07/18/fed-independence-too-important-to-verify/#comment-26273</link>
		<dc:creator>Quote of the day &#171; Econstudentlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will Wilkinson. Well, that&#8217;s one view. I think the words &#8220;has become&#8221; is a better way to state the sentiment in question. Friedman and Yeager, to take but two important monetarist thinkers, had profoundly different ideas about what would ideally constitute &#8220;the art of central banking&#8221;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Will Wilkinson. Well, that&#8217;s one view. I think the words &#8220;has become&#8221; is a better way to state the sentiment in question. Friedman and Yeager, to take but two important monetarist thinkers, had profoundly different ideas about what would ideally constitute &#8220;the art of central banking&#8221;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/07/18/fed-independence-too-important-to-verify/#comment-26272</link>
		<dc:creator>TGGP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A reply to Will is at &lt;a href=&quot;http://modeledbehavior.com/2009/07/19/central-bank-independence/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Modeled Behavior&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s crazy things like this or seasteading and so on that make the libertarian party so much fun.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Seasteaders and LVMIers will have nothing to do with you partyarchs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A reply to Will is at <a href="http://modeledbehavior.com/2009/07/19/central-bank-independence/" rel="nofollow">Modeled Behavior</a>.</p>
<p><i>It&#39;s crazy things like this or seasteading and so on that make the libertarian party so much fun.</i><br />The Seasteaders and LVMIers will have nothing to do with you partyarchs!</p>
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