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		<title>By: Olliander</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/06/02/the-party-of-nixon/#comment-25441</link>
		<dc:creator>Olliander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Food for thought on Nixon and the&#160;GOP...&lt;/strong&gt;

You say conservatives run the GOP? Think again. At least that&#8217;s the case made in this very interesting post by Fabio Rojas over at orgtheory (via Will Wilkinson): &#8230;[I]t is a mistake to view the modern GOP as the party run by free marketers ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Food for thought on Nixon and the&nbsp;GOP&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>You say conservatives run the GOP? Think again. At least that&#8217;s the case made in this very interesting post by Fabio Rojas over at orgtheory (via Will Wilkinson): &#8230;[I]t is a mistake to view the modern GOP as the party run by free marketers &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/06/02/the-party-of-nixon/#comment-25440</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, worth thinking about, but count me among the doubters.  National security simply is a big issue, and should be.  To maintain that we may be going too far suggests that people know how much is enough.  That defensivism &quot;just might&quot; lessen the number of enemies is an attractive idea, but not strong on evidence.  Our enemies, particularly Islamic ones, say they will be more friendly if only we would stop being belligerent.  I recall that the communists said the same throughout Latin America for decades.  Turns out the opposite was true.  Helluva risk to take on a flier.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, it always good to separate the two motivations for intervention and consider them separately:  are we doing this because it is good for us, or on moral grounds to promote justice and punish bad guys?  The Nixonite view seems pretty quick to jumnp to the answer &quot;both,&quot; and then switch back and forth between the two during  debate.  In fairness, this is largely a response to Democrats switching from one to the other whenever cornered, but we should strive to keep that distinction clear before the public at all times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, worth thinking about, but count me among the doubters.  National security simply is a big issue, and should be.  To maintain that we may be going too far suggests that people know how much is enough.  That defensivism &#8220;just might&#8221; lessen the number of enemies is an attractive idea, but not strong on evidence.  Our enemies, particularly Islamic ones, say they will be more friendly if only we would stop being belligerent.  I recall that the communists said the same throughout Latin America for decades.  Turns out the opposite was true.  Helluva risk to take on a flier.</p>
<p>That said, it always good to separate the two motivations for intervention and consider them separately:  are we doing this because it is good for us, or on moral grounds to promote justice and punish bad guys?  The Nixonite view seems pretty quick to jumnp to the answer &#8220;both,&#8221; and then switch back and forth between the two during  debate.  In fairness, this is largely a response to Democrats switching from one to the other whenever cornered, but we should strive to keep that distinction clear before the public at all times.</p>
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		<title>By: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/06/02/the-party-of-nixon/#comment-25439</link>
		<dc:creator>Assistant Village Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, worth thinking about, but count me among the doubters.  National security simply is a big issue, and should be.  To maintain that we may be going too far suggests that people know how much is enough.  That defensivism &quot;just might&quot; lessen the number of enemies is an attractive idea, but not strong on evidence.  Our enemies, particularly Islamic ones, say they will be more friendly if only we would stop being belligerent.  I recall that the communists said the same throughout Latin America for decades.  Turns out the opposite was true.  Helluva risk to take on a flier.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, it always good to separate the two motivations for intervention and consider them separately:  are we doing this because it is good for us, or on moral grounds to promote justice and punish bad guys?  The Nixonite view seems pretty quick to jumnp to the answer &quot;both,&quot; and then switch back and forth between the two during  debate.  In fairness, this is largely a response to Democrats switching from one to the other whenever cornered, but we should strive to keep that distinction clear before the public at all times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, worth thinking about, but count me among the doubters.  National security simply is a big issue, and should be.  To maintain that we may be going too far suggests that people know how much is enough.  That defensivism &#8220;just might&#8221; lessen the number of enemies is an attractive idea, but not strong on evidence.  Our enemies, particularly Islamic ones, say they will be more friendly if only we would stop being belligerent.  I recall that the communists said the same throughout Latin America for decades.  Turns out the opposite was true.  Helluva risk to take on a flier.</p>
<p>That said, it always good to separate the two motivations for intervention and consider them separately:  are we doing this because it is good for us, or on moral grounds to promote justice and punish bad guys?  The Nixonite view seems pretty quick to jumnp to the answer &#8220;both,&#8221; and then switch back and forth between the two during  debate.  In fairness, this is largely a response to Democrats switching from one to the other whenever cornered, but we should strive to keep that distinction clear before the public at all times.</p>
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		<title>By: catastrophic effects &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New comment on Item for Geeklist &#8220;Counter-Factual Questions - American Military History&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/06/02/the-party-of-nixon/#comment-25438</link>
		<dc:creator>catastrophic effects &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New comment on Item for Geeklist &#8220;Counter-Factual Questions - American Military History&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Markley</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/06/02/the-party-of-nixon/#comment-25437</link>
		<dc:creator>John Markley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Will, this line of attack on the Republican Party strikes me as a little odd coming from a libertarian. Isn&#039;t national security supposed to be one of the few legitimate concerns of the federal government? On a libertarian view, being the party of national security *and* limited government ought to be a good fit.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sure, but it helps if the &quot;national security&quot; measures a party is promoting actually promote national security, and do so effectively enough to make the costs and other trade-offs worthwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Will, this line of attack on the Republican Party strikes me as a little odd coming from a libertarian. Isn&#39;t national security supposed to be one of the few legitimate concerns of the federal government? On a libertarian view, being the party of national security *and* limited government ought to be a good fit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure, but it helps if the &#8220;national security&#8221; measures a party is promoting actually promote national security, and do so effectively enough to make the costs and other trade-offs worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Marier</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/06/02/the-party-of-nixon/#comment-25436</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Marier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that the national-security apparatus is far from permanent.  It was pretty much mothballed from 1975-1981, if I remember my history.  That didn&#039;t work out so well for the party in power.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not sure who thinks Goldwater was the guiding light of the GOP.  His campaign was important to the GOP activist tradition, but there&#039;s a pretty big distinction between the campaign and the man himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that the national-security apparatus is far from permanent.  It was pretty much mothballed from 1975-1981, if I remember my history.  That didn&#39;t work out so well for the party in power.</p>
<p>I&#39;m not sure who thinks Goldwater was the guiding light of the GOP.  His campaign was important to the GOP activist tradition, but there&#39;s a pretty big distinction between the campaign and the man himself.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/06/02/the-party-of-nixon/#comment-25435</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheney wiping the floor with Obama re the torture &quot;debate&quot; is absolutely true.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not only has it left Cheney more popular, as Wilkinson notes, but has also fractured some in the Democratic caucus.  The whole episode had Pelosi running to China for cover and gave the GOP some campaign fodder for the 2010 midterms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheney wiping the floor with Obama re the torture &#8220;debate&#8221; is absolutely true.  </p>
<p>Not only has it left Cheney more popular, as Wilkinson notes, but has also fractured some in the Democratic caucus.  The whole episode had Pelosi running to China for cover and gave the GOP some campaign fodder for the 2010 midterms.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Strangelove</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/06/02/the-party-of-nixon/#comment-25434</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Strangelove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, this line of attack on the Republican Party strikes me as a little odd coming from a libertarian. Isn&#039;t national security supposed to be one of the few legitimate concerns of the federal government? On a libertarian view, being the party of national security *and* limited government ought to be a good fit. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is the complaint supposed to be that the national security wing always gets more of what it wants because they really control inner workings of the Republican party? Fabio observes that the national security guys always seem to get the national security jobs when the Republicans are in power. That&#039;s neither a stunning insight nor evidence that the national security guys are really running the show. He also observes that the national security guys do a pretty good job of getting what they want even when the party is out of power. But that seems like pretty good evidence that they don&#039;t even need control of the party. Whatever the source of their mojo is, it can&#039;t be control of the Republican party if it still works when the party is on the outs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A much more plausible explanation for the relative success of the national security wing is that national security is a much easier sell than limited government at election time. Rather than blame the national security guys who have done a good job of persuading the public that national security always matters, you ought to blame the limited government guys who have done such a piss poor job of explaining why limited government always matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, this line of attack on the Republican Party strikes me as a little odd coming from a libertarian. Isn&#39;t national security supposed to be one of the few legitimate concerns of the federal government? On a libertarian view, being the party of national security *and* limited government ought to be a good fit. </p>
<p>Is the complaint supposed to be that the national security wing always gets more of what it wants because they really control inner workings of the Republican party? Fabio observes that the national security guys always seem to get the national security jobs when the Republicans are in power. That&#39;s neither a stunning insight nor evidence that the national security guys are really running the show. He also observes that the national security guys do a pretty good job of getting what they want even when the party is out of power. But that seems like pretty good evidence that they don&#39;t even need control of the party. Whatever the source of their mojo is, it can&#39;t be control of the Republican party if it still works when the party is on the outs.</p>
<p>A much more plausible explanation for the relative success of the national security wing is that national security is a much easier sell than limited government at election time. Rather than blame the national security guys who have done a good job of persuading the public that national security always matters, you ought to blame the limited government guys who have done such a piss poor job of explaining why limited government always matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie's Farm</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/06/02/the-party-of-nixon/#comment-25433</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie's Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Thursday morning links...&lt;/strong&gt;

No national sympathy for the Marines&#160;- yet the late-term baby killer is mourned and lamented.
18th Century coiffure.&#160;Crazy, but good habitat for lice.
10 common misconceptions about blogs. h/t, Norm
Britain on the Brink.
Chavez: &quot;Com...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Thursday morning links&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>No national sympathy for the Marines&nbsp;- yet the late-term baby killer is mourned and lamented.<br />
18th Century coiffure.&nbsp;Crazy, but good habitat for lice.<br />
10 common misconceptions about blogs. h/t, Norm<br />
Britain on the Brink.<br />
Chavez: &quot;Com&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Farmer</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/06/02/the-party-of-nixon/#comment-25432</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That is one of the biggest problems with libertarians. Even if the US pulled back from most of the world militarily (and I want it to start in Europe and Korea for sure), there are still going to be enemies.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think the US can be realistic about its enemies and still uphold a non-interventionist policy -- with a strong national defense and the willingness to use it when necessary. Defensivism seems the best policy -- and this might just lessen the number of our enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That is one of the biggest problems with libertarians. Even if the US pulled back from most of the world militarily (and I want it to start in Europe and Korea for sure), there are still going to be enemies.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the US can be realistic about its enemies and still uphold a non-interventionist policy &#8212; with a strong national defense and the willingness to use it when necessary. Defensivism seems the best policy &#8212; and this might just lessen the number of our enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are proposing communism as a solution to prevent uprisings on U.S. soil— better wear your bullet-proof vest, sir.</description>
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		<title>By: chad</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/06/02/the-party-of-nixon/#comment-25430</link>
		<dc:creator>chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find most amusing is just how much international security is discussed openly on public forums.  Fortunately for us, there are entire realms of people who have no grasp of wit or sarcasm, and take everything at face value.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;So far as enemies, when we have so many within our own borders the point is sort of moot… that&#039;s what drove us over to China to begin with!  We honkies have an entire history of driving each other nuts and then running to distant lands to introduce more conflict into the picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find most amusing is just how much international security is discussed openly on public forums.  Fortunately for us, there are entire realms of people who have no grasp of wit or sarcasm, and take everything at face value.</p>
<p>So far as enemies, when we have so many within our own borders the point is sort of moot… that&#39;s what drove us over to China to begin with!  We honkies have an entire history of driving each other nuts and then running to distant lands to introduce more conflict into the picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Silber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Silber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rojas post and Wilkinson gloss on it read is as though the people writing them never heard of detente or the opening with China. Nixon&#039;s foreign policy was less aggressive than what many conservatives (who were also more free-market than Nixon) wanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rojas post and Wilkinson gloss on it read is as though the people writing them never heard of detente or the opening with China. Nixon&#39;s foreign policy was less aggressive than what many conservatives (who were also more free-market than Nixon) wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: uknowbetter</title>
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		<dc:creator>uknowbetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Queda and their ilk sure help the Nixonites by actually being an enemy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You can accuse people of making up enemies, but when they are actually real and do threaten Americans and American interests then your argument is weakened.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That is one of the biggest problems with libertarians. Even if the US pulled back from most of the world militarily (and I want it to start in Europe and Korea for sure), there are still going to be enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Queda and their ilk sure help the Nixonites by actually being an enemy.</p>
<p>You can accuse people of making up enemies, but when they are actually real and do threaten Americans and American interests then your argument is weakened.</p>
<p>That is one of the biggest problems with libertarians. Even if the US pulled back from most of the world militarily (and I want it to start in Europe and Korea for sure), there are still going to be enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: uknowbetter</title>
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		<dc:creator>uknowbetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you looked at recent polls about people&#039;s opinions on Guantanamo and interrogation practices?  They favor Cheney&#039;s positions more than Obama&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you looked at recent polls about people&#39;s opinions on Guantanamo and interrogation practices?  They favor Cheney&#39;s positions more than Obama&#39;s.</p>
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