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		<title>By: ChrisJ</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25145</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s accurate to say that anybody here is trying to tell people to stop being people- I suspect rather that they&#039;re saying that since somebody&#039;s always going to be unhappy, the rules might as well focus on being fair instead of trying to make everybody feel better (an impossible task).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Calling out envy for what it is raises a valid point: where a motive exists to tilt the table in your favor, it&#039;s reasonable to double-check whether what you propose will really be just or fair for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s accurate to say that anybody here is trying to tell people to stop being people- I suspect rather that they&#39;re saying that since somebody&#39;s always going to be unhappy, the rules might as well focus on being fair instead of trying to make everybody feel better (an impossible task).</p>
<p>Calling out envy for what it is raises a valid point: where a motive exists to tilt the table in your favor, it&#39;s reasonable to double-check whether what you propose will really be just or fair for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisJ</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25144</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 19:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s accurate to say that anybody here is trying to tell people to stop being people- I suspect rather that they&#039;re saying that since somebody&#039;s always going to be unhappy, the rules might as well focus on being fair instead of trying to make everybody feel better (an impossible task).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Calling out envy for what it is raises a valid point: where a motive exists to tilt the table in your favor, it&#039;s reasonable to double-check whether what you propose will really be just or fair for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s accurate to say that anybody here is trying to tell people to stop being people- I suspect rather that they&#39;re saying that since somebody&#39;s always going to be unhappy, the rules might as well focus on being fair instead of trying to make everybody feel better (an impossible task).</p>
<p>Calling out envy for what it is raises a valid point: where a motive exists to tilt the table in your favor, it&#39;s reasonable to double-check whether what you propose will really be just or fair for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: GilM</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25143</link>
		<dc:creator>GilM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 19:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;All questions are answered within!&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It must be a REALLY LONG paper!</description>
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<p>It must be a REALLY LONG paper!</p>
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		<title>By: John Thacker</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25142</link>
		<dc:creator>John Thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, I suppose you saw &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this paper by Justin Wolfers and Betsy Stevenson?&lt;/A&gt;  Greg Mankiw highlighted it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Both of them study inequality a lot.  In any case, by subjective happiness measures-- the same sorts of things that Matt is praising in his post, women&#039;s happiness in USA has gone down dramatically since the 1970s.  It used to be higher than that of men, now it is lower.  Very strange that this would have happened after women&#039;s liberation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suspect that the paper may cause some to reject reliance on subjective happiness measures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, I suppose you saw <a HREF="http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969" rel="nofollow">this paper by Justin Wolfers and Betsy Stevenson?</a>  Greg Mankiw highlighted it.</p>
<p>Both of them study inequality a lot.  In any case, by subjective happiness measures&#8211; the same sorts of things that Matt is praising in his post, women&#39;s happiness in USA has gone down dramatically since the 1970s.  It used to be higher than that of men, now it is lower.  Very strange that this would have happened after women&#39;s liberation.</p>
<p>I suspect that the paper may cause some to reject reliance on subjective happiness measures.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25141</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 17:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a long paper on inequality coming out soon. All questions are answered within!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a long paper on inequality coming out soon. All questions are answered within!</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25140</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 17:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, when the effect of a variable is ideologically mediated, it can be annoying that some people have the wrong ideology. Likewise, egalitarians often have a naive or outright incorrect view on the causes of inequality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, when the effect of a variable is ideologically mediated, it can be annoying that some people have the wrong ideology. Likewise, egalitarians often have a naive or outright incorrect view on the causes of inequality.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25139</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 17:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes!</description>
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		<title>By: Freddie</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25138</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 17:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But it doesn’t so much bother meritocrats. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem is, meritocrats so often have a naive or outright incorrect view on whether something is the product of merit or of other factors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But it doesn’t so much bother meritocrats. </i></p>
<p>The problem is, meritocrats so often have a naive or outright incorrect view on whether something is the product of merit or of other factors.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig McGillivary</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25137</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig McGillivary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 16:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard you argue that you aren&#039;t an egalitarian because you aren&#039;t a nationalist. Why aren&#039;t you a global egalitarian? In other words if we had a single global community would you be an egalitarian? Also do you have to be an egalitarian at all to notice that our political system is biased against poor people and to push back against that bias? It seems like if this bias could be balanced by some opposing force that happiness might increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard you argue that you aren&#39;t an egalitarian because you aren&#39;t a nationalist. Why aren&#39;t you a global egalitarian? In other words if we had a single global community would you be an egalitarian? Also do you have to be an egalitarian at all to notice that our political system is biased against poor people and to push back against that bias? It seems like if this bias could be balanced by some opposing force that happiness might increase.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul O&#039;Pinion</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25136</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul O&#039;Pinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings;&lt;br&gt;the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.&lt;br&gt;		-- Churchill&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Envy and ambition at times motivate people to make something of themselves.  The key word is &quot;motivate&quot;.  Who makes something of him or herself without motivation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings;<br />the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.<br />		&#8211; Churchill</p>
<p>Envy and ambition at times motivate people to make something of themselves.  The key word is &#8220;motivate&#8221;.  Who makes something of him or herself without motivation?</p>
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		<title>By: IamSMRT</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25135</link>
		<dc:creator>IamSMRT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 16:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I AM SORRY FOR SPAMMING YOUR BLOG&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The stock market keeps going higher&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dow 14000 soon according to experts&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://iamned.com/blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=ajgUp7xQIn6c&amp;refer=home&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I AM SORRY FOR SPAMMING YOUR BLOG</p>
<p>The stock market keeps going higher</p>
<p>dow 14000 soon according to experts</p>
<p><a href="http://iamned.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=ajgUp7xQIn6c&#038;refer=home</a></p>
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		<title>By: IamSMRT</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25134</link>
		<dc:creator>IamSMRT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 16:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I AM SORRY FOR SPAMMING YOUR BLOG&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The stock market keeps going higher&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;dow 14000 soon according to experts&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;href=&quot;http://iamned.com/blog/&quot;&gt;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=ajgUp7xQI&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;n6c&amp;refer=home&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I AM SORRY FOR SPAMMING YOUR BLOG</p>
<p>The stock market keeps going higher</p>
<p>dow 14000 soon according to experts</p>
<p>&lt;a </p>
<p>href=&#8221;http://iamned.com/blog/&#8221;&gt;<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=ajgUp7xQI" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=ajgUp7xQI</a></p>
<p>n6c&#038;refer=home</p>
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		<title>By: IamSMRT</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25133</link>
		<dc:creator>IamSMRT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 16:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we should stop talking about recession and crisis and keep buying stocks and make money &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Someone should write a song for their children to sing: Gloriously: NY&lt;br&gt;bankers pass their debt onto the common and slink away from defense of&lt;br&gt;capitalism, during crisis periods, when capitalism might need a&lt;br&gt;defender. NY banks then want to privatize their profits. Privatize their gains during the good years. Have one bad year in the cycling of&lt;br&gt;capitalism and there is Paulson as their front man, to unload their&lt;br&gt;debt onto others.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chorus: In a hurry to offload their debt obligations, and in a hurry&lt;br&gt;to be private again. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dow 14000 soon??&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;perhaps the financial crisis has been fixed according to various indicators such as libor and yield curves as written in more detail &lt;a href=&quot;http://iamned.com/blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://iamned.com/blog/&lt;/a&gt; very compelling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we should stop talking about recession and crisis and keep buying stocks and make money </p>
<p>Someone should write a song for their children to sing: Gloriously: NY<br />bankers pass their debt onto the common and slink away from defense of<br />capitalism, during crisis periods, when capitalism might need a<br />defender. NY banks then want to privatize their profits. Privatize their gains during the good years. Have one bad year in the cycling of<br />capitalism and there is Paulson as their front man, to unload their<br />debt onto others.</p>
<p>Chorus: In a hurry to offload their debt obligations, and in a hurry<br />to be private again. </p>
<p>Dow 14000 soon??</p>
<p>perhaps the financial crisis has been fixed according to various indicators such as libor and yield curves as written in more detail <a href="http://iamned.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://iamned.com/blog/</a> very compelling</p>
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		<title>By: C.S. Lewis</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/18/happiness-and-income-inequality/#comment-25132</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S. Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 14:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Democracy] is connected with the political ideal that men should be equally treated. You then make a stealthy transition in their minds from this political ideal to a factual belief that all men ARE equal. Especially the man you are working on. As a result you can use the word DEMOCRACY to sanction in his thoughts the most degrading ... of all human feelings....&lt;br&gt;	 &lt;br&gt;	The feeling I mean is of course that which prompts a man to say, &quot;I’m as good as you.&quot;&lt;br&gt;	 &lt;br&gt;	[Y]ou thus induce him to enthrone at the centre of his life a good, solid resounding lie. I don’t mean merely that this statement is false in fact, that he is no more equal to everyone he meets in kindness, honesty, and good sense than in height or waist-measurement. I mean that he does not believe it himself. No man who says, &quot;I’m as good as you&quot; believes it. He would not say it if he did. The St. Bernard never says it to the toy dog, nor the scholar to the dunce.... What it expresses is precisely the itching, smarting, writhing awareness of an inferiority which the patient refuses to accept.&lt;br&gt;	 &lt;br&gt;	And therefore resents. Yes, and therefore resents every kind of superiority in others; denigrates it; wishes its annihilation. Presently he suspects every mere difference of being a claim to superiority. No one must be different from himself in voice, clothes, manners... &quot;Here is someone who speaks English rather more clearly and euphoniously than I – it must be a vile, upstate, lah-di-dah affectation. Here’s a fellow who says he doesn’t like hot dogs – thinks himself too good for them no doubt.... If they were the right sort of chaps they’d be like me. They’ve no business to be different. It’s undemocratic.&quot;&lt;br&gt;* * *&lt;br&gt;	Under the influence of this incantation [&quot;undemocratic&quot;] those who are in any or every way inferior can labour more wholeheartedly and successfully than ever to pull down everyone else to their own level.... Under the same influence, those who come, or could come, nearer to a full humanity, actually draw back from it for fear of being UNDEMOCRATIC.... To accept [their unique gifts] might make them Different, might offend against the Way of Life, take them out of Togetherness, impair their Integration with the Group. They might (horror of horrors!) become individuals.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Screwtape, &quot;Screwtape Proposes a Toast&quot; (1959)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Democracy] is connected with the political ideal that men should be equally treated. You then make a stealthy transition in their minds from this political ideal to a factual belief that all men ARE equal. Especially the man you are working on. As a result you can use the word DEMOCRACY to sanction in his thoughts the most degrading &#8230; of all human feelings&#8230;.</p>
<p>	The feeling I mean is of course that which prompts a man to say, &#8220;I’m as good as you.&#8221;</p>
<p>	[Y]ou thus induce him to enthrone at the centre of his life a good, solid resounding lie. I don’t mean merely that this statement is false in fact, that he is no more equal to everyone he meets in kindness, honesty, and good sense than in height or waist-measurement. I mean that he does not believe it himself. No man who says, &#8220;I’m as good as you&#8221; believes it. He would not say it if he did. The St. Bernard never says it to the toy dog, nor the scholar to the dunce&#8230;. What it expresses is precisely the itching, smarting, writhing awareness of an inferiority which the patient refuses to accept.</p>
<p>	And therefore resents. Yes, and therefore resents every kind of superiority in others; denigrates it; wishes its annihilation. Presently he suspects every mere difference of being a claim to superiority. No one must be different from himself in voice, clothes, manners&#8230; &#8220;Here is someone who speaks English rather more clearly and euphoniously than I – it must be a vile, upstate, lah-di-dah affectation. Here’s a fellow who says he doesn’t like hot dogs – thinks himself too good for them no doubt&#8230;. If they were the right sort of chaps they’d be like me. They’ve no business to be different. It’s undemocratic.&#8221;<br />* * *<br />	Under the influence of this incantation ["undemocratic"] those who are in any or every way inferior can labour more wholeheartedly and successfully than ever to pull down everyone else to their own level&#8230;. Under the same influence, those who come, or could come, nearer to a full humanity, actually draw back from it for fear of being UNDEMOCRATIC&#8230;. To accept [their unique gifts] might make them Different, might offend against the Way of Life, take them out of Togetherness, impair their Integration with the Group. They might (horror of horrors!) become individuals.</p>
<p>Screwtape, &#8220;Screwtape Proposes a Toast&#8221; (1959)</p>
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		<title>By: alphie</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 13:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the correct marginal tax rate, envy and greed reach a equilibrium, and happiness abounds?</description>
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