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		<title>By: CatoTheYounger</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/06/democracy-and-markets-in-government/#comment-25034</link>
		<dc:creator>CatoTheYounger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 05:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under the law, extending the voting franchise was women was the Constitutional and &quot;correct&quot; thing to do.    That doesn&#039;t at all preclude the notion that extending those rights lead to worse democratic decisions, which it clearly does.    I am not a member of a &quot;privileged&quot; class and even I can see this.    Just because an ideal of good government is Equal Protection doesn&#039;t mean that its practical implementation effectively propagates that ideal.    You champion democracy because it appeals to your intuition, all the while steadfastly refusing to engage the  empirical data which shows that many &quot;marginalized&quot; groups tend to have worse ideas on legions of political issues from economics to the environment to schooling.   That&#039;s not going go away no matter how much Wilkinson thinks he can armchair reason to an effective libertarianism from first principles.    I don&#039;t think sea steading is a good answer to the predatory state, but pretending that political agitprop is capable of overcoming our genetic biases (which vary amongst demographics) is just as quixotic and stupid as statist-liberal &quot;activism&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under the law, extending the voting franchise was women was the Constitutional and &#8220;correct&#8221; thing to do.    That doesn&#39;t at all preclude the notion that extending those rights lead to worse democratic decisions, which it clearly does.    I am not a member of a &#8220;privileged&#8221; class and even I can see this.    Just because an ideal of good government is Equal Protection doesn&#39;t mean that its practical implementation effectively propagates that ideal.    You champion democracy because it appeals to your intuition, all the while steadfastly refusing to engage the  empirical data which shows that many &#8220;marginalized&#8221; groups tend to have worse ideas on legions of political issues from economics to the environment to schooling.   That&#39;s not going go away no matter how much Wilkinson thinks he can armchair reason to an effective libertarianism from first principles.    I don&#39;t think sea steading is a good answer to the predatory state, but pretending that political agitprop is capable of overcoming our genetic biases (which vary amongst demographics) is just as quixotic and stupid as statist-liberal &#8220;activism&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Freedom of assembly Robert Smith (broadcaster)</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/06/democracy-and-markets-in-government/#comment-25032</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Freedom of assembly Robert Smith (broadcaster)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CatoTheYounger</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/06/democracy-and-markets-in-government/#comment-25033</link>
		<dc:creator>CatoTheYounger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Under the law, extending the voting franchise was women was the Constitutional and &quot;correct&quot; thing to do.    That doesn&#039;t at all preclude the notion that extending those rights lead to worse democratic decisions, which it clearly does.    I am not a member of a &quot;privileged&quot; class and even I can see this.    Just because an ideal of good government is Equal Protection doesn&#039;t mean that its practical implementation effectively propagates that ideal.    You champion democracy because it appeals to your intuition, all the while steadfastly refusing to engage the  empirical data which shows that many &quot;marginalized&quot; groups tend to have worse ideas on legions of political issues from economics to the environment to schooling.   That&#039;s not going go away no matter how much Wilkinson thinks he can armchair reason to an effective libertarianism from first principles.    I don&#039;t think sea steading is a good answer to the predatory state, but pretending that political agitprop is capable of overcoming our genetic biases (which vary amongst demographics) is just as quixotic and stupid as statist-liberal &quot;activism&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Under the law, extending the voting franchise was women was the Constitutional and &#8220;correct&#8221; thing to do.    That doesn&#39;t at all preclude the notion that extending those rights lead to worse democratic decisions, which it clearly does.    I am not a member of a &#8220;privileged&#8221; class and even I can see this.    Just because an ideal of good government is Equal Protection doesn&#39;t mean that its practical implementation effectively propagates that ideal.    You champion democracy because it appeals to your intuition, all the while steadfastly refusing to engage the  empirical data which shows that many &#8220;marginalized&#8221; groups tend to have worse ideas on legions of political issues from economics to the environment to schooling.   That&#39;s not going go away no matter how much Wilkinson thinks he can armchair reason to an effective libertarianism from first principles.    I don&#39;t think sea steading is a good answer to the predatory state, but pretending that political agitprop is capable of overcoming our genetic biases (which vary amongst demographics) is just as quixotic and stupid as statist-liberal &#8220;activism&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: LarryM</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/06/democracy-and-markets-in-government/#comment-25031</link>
		<dc:creator>LarryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 12:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, read the origiinal piece, which i guess I should have first. What utter nonsense on any number of levels. And he doesn&#039;t reveal his starting point preference, which I think is pretty telling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, read the origiinal piece, which i guess I should have first. What utter nonsense on any number of levels. And he doesn&#39;t reveal his starting point preference, which I think is pretty telling.</p>
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		<title>By: LarryM</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/06/democracy-and-markets-in-government/#comment-25030</link>
		<dc:creator>LarryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 05:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious - does Patri give away the game at any point and reveal his preferred alternative to democracy? Or does he just hide behind his &quot;the market will decide&quot; rhetoric? Afterall, these seasteads are going to have to start from some form of government (or lack thereof). What&#039;s his preferred starting point of his experiement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m curious &#8211; does Patri give away the game at any point and reveal his preferred alternative to democracy? Or does he just hide behind his &#8220;the market will decide&#8221; rhetoric? Afterall, these seasteads are going to have to start from some form of government (or lack thereof). What&#39;s his preferred starting point of his experiement?</p>
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		<title>By: LarryM</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/06/democracy-and-markets-in-government/#comment-25029</link>
		<dc:creator>LarryM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 05:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But this is just because democracy is a pretty good tool (compared to the alternatives) for bringing about those other ends. Not because democracy, in and of itself, is a good thing.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well ... considering what the alternatives are, I&#039;d say that Democracy ends up being a little bit more than just a good tool, assuming one takes libertarian principles such as self ownership at all seriously.  That&#039;s from a minarchist position, of course; one could certainly argue that anarchy is really the only form of government entirely consistant with libertarian principles, but that extreme is rejected by most libertarians for consequentialist reasons.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or maybe Patri thinks that his &quot;competitive market for government&quot; will spontaneously create some wonderful new form of government never seen before?  Markets are indeed pretty powerful, but I think that such a proposition is extremely dubious.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(Obviously ideal minarchy, from a libertarian perspective, would have powerful constraints upon just what powers even a democratic majority could confer on the government, but a constrained democracy would still be a democracy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But this is just because democracy is a pretty good tool (compared to the alternatives) for bringing about those other ends. Not because democracy, in and of itself, is a good thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well &#8230; considering what the alternatives are, I&#39;d say that Democracy ends up being a little bit more than just a good tool, assuming one takes libertarian principles such as self ownership at all seriously.  That&#39;s from a minarchist position, of course; one could certainly argue that anarchy is really the only form of government entirely consistant with libertarian principles, but that extreme is rejected by most libertarians for consequentialist reasons.</p>
<p>Or maybe Patri thinks that his &#8220;competitive market for government&#8221; will spontaneously create some wonderful new form of government never seen before?  Markets are indeed pretty powerful, but I think that such a proposition is extremely dubious.</p>
<p>(Obviously ideal minarchy, from a libertarian perspective, would have powerful constraints upon just what powers even a democratic majority could confer on the government, but a constrained democracy would still be a democracy.)</p>
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		<title>By: uknowbetter</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/06/democracy-and-markets-in-government/#comment-25028</link>
		<dc:creator>uknowbetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 05:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being smart is something alphie knows little about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being smart is something alphie knows little about.</p>
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		<title>By: IWantCookieNow</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/06/democracy-and-markets-in-government/#comment-25027</link>
		<dc:creator>IWantCookieNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does &quot;新しいコメント入力&quot; mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does &#8220;新しいコメント入力&#8221; mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul_G_Brown</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/06/democracy-and-markets-in-government/#comment-25026</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul_G_Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I vote for his logorrhea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote for his logorrhea.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/05/06/democracy-and-markets-in-government/#comment-25025</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 15:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. Thanks for the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Thanks for the link.</p>
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