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By: Shaber

Shaber — Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:54:45 +0000

Yeah a simple immigration bill that tightened border enforcement while allowing unlimited skilled immigration.. its true.. such a bill would easily pass and have global welfare benefits far exceeding the status quo...
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By: James Kabala

James Kabala — Wed, 06 May 2009 16:34:56 +0000

Any repsonse to this article?: http://vdare.com/shaidle/090504_toronto.htm

By: Jeff Yager

Jeff Yager — Mon, 04 May 2009 04:07:03 +0000

You forgot the best part of Toronto: The home of the Stanley Cup, the NHL Hall of Fame!

By: c3

c3 — Fri, 01 May 2009 22:00:25 +0000

I was surprised to see no bump in the percentage of immigrants from the US for 2006 (the first year in the graphic after 2004). Gee, my reading of the NYT suggested they should've seen at least… oh say 1/2 million from that city alone after the '04 election.

By: Disgruntled Reader

Disgruntled Reader — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:04:00 +0000

Look at the McCain-Kennedy bill.

By: uknowbetter

uknowbetter — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:53:56 +0000

“…such a bill would easily pass…”

lol! If so, it would have already passed.

As soon as the unions get on board, it would easily pass, and as soon as the unions get on board it would be a crappy bill.

By: Disgruntled Reader

Disgruntled Reader — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:37:44 +0000

Relatedly, there's a lot of progress to be made on openness to those desirable immigrant groups: Canada is a leader (in its per capita immigration intake) on that front. The U.S. H1-B cap and the foolish policy of sending those H1-B skilled workers home after 3 or 6 years comes to mind as a contrast. Consider an immigration bill that tightened border enforcement (including popular measures like physical border walls) and employer sanctions to discourage illegal immigrants while allowing unlimited skilled immigration: such a bill would easily pass and have global welfare benefits far exceeding the status quo.

By: Disgruntled Reader

Disgruntled Reader — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:31:42 +0000

Doesn't that make them Islamophobes rather than xenophobes?

By: WJ

WJ — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:53:44 +0000

Thank you very much for posting the country of birth information for the immigrants in Canada. I was quite surprised that the number of folks from the UK, Australia, US, and rest of Europe was that low.

Again on the topic of the crime rate. Is there a non-US born (legal or illegal) immigrant subset more prevalent in the US that have a higher crime rate per capita that is NOT a prevalent immigrant subset in Canada?

Are the crime rates for the Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, etc immigrants in Canada comparable to US figures for the same immigrant groups? If the crime rates across the two countries for the same immigrant groups are comparable, then maybe it has to do with something in the culture of the immigrant groups. If Canada is much lower, then maybe there is something in the water up north??

Finally, according to Wikipedia, the illegal immigrant population is less than 1% (120K / 33M). I think that has to be a factor.

By: Joshua Herring

Joshua Herring — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:39:37 +0000

I'd say there're a lot of pieces missing from your argument. As other commenters have pointed out, we'd first need to know the breakdown of “foreign-born” residents in Toronto. Huntington's objections are to specific classes of immigrants, and you would therefore have to show that Toronto was accepting those classes, not merely that they have a lot of immigrants. Since Huntington's argument is based on cultural rot more than on immigration anyway, you would probably also need to say something about the class and race of native-born Torontonians as well. More importantly, you would need to supply some comparative statistics showing (rather than merely speculating, as in your comment above) that Toronto's relatively low crime rate is not disproportionately accounted for by immigrants. You would probably also need to explain why some cities like Tokyo, which are considerably less diverse than Toronto, are also safer (i.e. single-point comparisons are usually not persuasive).

Where I think your argument succeeds is in refuting the idea that immigration/cultural dillution alone can account for rises in crime. Clearly crime and immigration are not directly correlated in the way that Huntington suggests. But there is still a quite a distance between having proved that and showing that immigration is not one of the (or even the primary) contributing factors to a city's crime rate. It can still be the case that, controlling for all other variables, reducing immigration and/or screening immigrants for factors which suggest they can and will easily assimilate into Anglo-Saxon culture helps control crime.

My concern here is not to argue against immigration, incidentally. I agree with your “guest-worker programs, not walls” aside. It's more that I don't think you're doing “our side” any favors with this kind of argumentation. Toronto's single data point based on statistics gained from a single year – and with little or no characterization of the context – is not convincing.

By: bjk

bjk — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:31:26 +0000

Out of 44 city councillors, 3 are non-white, including 2 Asians and one Hispanic.

http://app.toronto.ca/im/council/councillors.jsp

Isn't the queen still on the currency? Canada is a very conservative country . . . it would never tolerate the kind of open border we have with Mexico, and for good reason.

By: H.

H. — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:41:25 +0000

Many xenophobes in Europe are asking for more Asian immigrants and less Muslims. If we want to destroy xenophobia, we have to focus on Muslims, African refugees and low-skilled Mexicans. Asians, highly educated immigrants and secular Muslims are already accepted by almost everyone.

By: TGGP

TGGP — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:08:40 +0000

Toronto is genuinely multicultural, which is a lot better than bicultural. I discuss that in my Putnam/diversity post.

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Topics about Toronto » Blog Archive » Why Huntington Is Full of It — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:39:20 +0000

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