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		<title>By: ErezEldon</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/04/12/this-argument-needs-cognitive-enhancement/#comment-24382</link>
		<dc:creator>ErezEldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any reason why we shouldn&#039;t want to better ourselves. If natural evolution is so slow, maybe we should try to upgrade ourselves. The time will come when science and medicine will advance enough to eliminate all negative side effects and everybody will be able to &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;buy steroids online&lt;/a&gt; or anti aging hormones with no risk. There are a lot of moral arguments against doing that but the truth is, anyone wants a longer life, a better body and mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t see any reason why we shouldn&#39;t want to better ourselves. If natural evolution is so slow, maybe we should try to upgrade ourselves. The time will come when science and medicine will advance enough to eliminate all negative side effects and everybody will be able to <a rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">buy steroids online</a> or anti aging hormones with no risk. There are a lot of moral arguments against doing that but the truth is, anyone wants a longer life, a better body and mind.</p>
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		<title>By: ErezEldon</title>
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		<dc:creator>ErezEldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any reason why we shouldn&#039;t want to better ourselves. If natural evolution is so slow, maybe we should try to upgrade ourselves. The time will come when science and medicine will advance enough to eliminate all negative side effects and everybody will be able to &lt;a rel=&quot;follow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.buyphentermine.net/steroids.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;buy steroids online&lt;/a&gt; or anti aging hormones with no risk. There are a lot of moral arguments against doing that but the truth is, anyone wants a longer life, a better body and mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t see any reason why we shouldn&#39;t want to better ourselves. If natural evolution is so slow, maybe we should try to upgrade ourselves. The time will come when science and medicine will advance enough to eliminate all negative side effects and everybody will be able to <a rel="follow" href="http://www.buyphentermine.net/steroids.html" rel="nofollow">buy steroids online</a> or anti aging hormones with no risk. There are a lot of moral arguments against doing that but the truth is, anyone wants a longer life, a better body and mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Success, Drugs, and Rock &#8216;n&#8217; Payroll &#171; Plumb Lines</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/04/12/this-argument-needs-cognitive-enhancement/#comment-24380</link>
		<dc:creator>Success, Drugs, and Rock &#8216;n&#8217; Payroll &#171; Plumb Lines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will Wilkinson has dismissed Justin Barnard’s recent piece in Public Discourse (of which I am managing editor) by mocking Barnard’s academic affiliation with a stiff mix of elite credential-checking and anti-religious prejudice. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Will Wilkinson has dismissed Justin Barnard’s recent piece in Public Discourse (of which I am managing editor) by mocking Barnard’s academic affiliation with a stiff mix of elite credential-checking and anti-religious prejudice. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kurt</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/04/12/this-argument-needs-cognitive-enhancement/#comment-24379</link>
		<dc:creator>kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally.  Adults absolutely should be able to make these choices for themselves.  What I&#039;m worried about here, though, are the high school kids who don&#039;t have the same freedoms and have other parental and societal pressures to deal with.  Also, their brains are still going through rapid developmental changes and drugs like these could potentially interfere with those normal processes, affecting them later in life. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Creativity is basically having mental flexibility--being able to imagine more than one way to do something.  When you&#039;re conditioning yourself (even without drugs) to think in one particular mode, say every day at work, then you&#039;re strengthening those pathways and not spending time strengthening others.   Having free time is great, but how are you going to spend it if your creative pathways are so under-utilized?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In any case, creativity was just one example of a way of thinking that could potentially be sacrificed for, say, fact memory.  There are certainly other mental faculties that could be adversely affected, or maybe there are none.  The point is that we really don&#039;t know enough, either about the drugs or about the brain to really have make an informed decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally.  Adults absolutely should be able to make these choices for themselves.  What I&#39;m worried about here, though, are the high school kids who don&#39;t have the same freedoms and have other parental and societal pressures to deal with.  Also, their brains are still going through rapid developmental changes and drugs like these could potentially interfere with those normal processes, affecting them later in life. </p>
<p>Creativity is basically having mental flexibility&#8211;being able to imagine more than one way to do something.  When you&#39;re conditioning yourself (even without drugs) to think in one particular mode, say every day at work, then you&#39;re strengthening those pathways and not spending time strengthening others.   Having free time is great, but how are you going to spend it if your creative pathways are so under-utilized?  </p>
<p>In any case, creativity was just one example of a way of thinking that could potentially be sacrificed for, say, fact memory.  There are certainly other mental faculties that could be adversely affected, or maybe there are none.  The point is that we really don&#39;t know enough, either about the drugs or about the brain to really have make an informed decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in Texas</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/04/12/this-argument-needs-cognitive-enhancement/#comment-24378</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great post.  I&#039;m very glad this has been said.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You make a better arguement than Bernard, but ultimately a healthy, informed adult should be able to make these choices for themselves.  Creativity may be useful for some professions and not for others, and if these drugs surpress creativity (which I am not convinced of) then someone can choose not to use them.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I have 5 units of work to do today and 10 units of time to do it, and normally I finish one unit work/unit time, then I have 5 units of time to persue other creative activities.  If these drugs help me complete one unit work in 0.5 units time, that leaves much more time to persue these these.  Assuming one works because they have to (not because they want or enjoy it) as I do, thats a win in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great post.  I&#39;m very glad this has been said.  </p>
<p>You make a better arguement than Bernard, but ultimately a healthy, informed adult should be able to make these choices for themselves.  Creativity may be useful for some professions and not for others, and if these drugs surpress creativity (which I am not convinced of) then someone can choose not to use them.  </p>
<p>If I have 5 units of work to do today and 10 units of time to do it, and normally I finish one unit work/unit time, then I have 5 units of time to persue other creative activities.  If these drugs help me complete one unit work in 0.5 units time, that leaves much more time to persue these these.  Assuming one works because they have to (not because they want or enjoy it) as I do, thats a win in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Success, Drugs, and Rock &#8216;n&#8217; Payroll &#171; The Electrician&#8217;s Apprentice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Success, Drugs, and Rock &#8216;n&#8217; Payroll &#171; The Electrician&#8217;s Apprentice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 14, 2009   Will Wilkinson has dismissed Justin Barnard&#8217;s recent piece in Public Discourse (of which I am managing [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fat Knowledge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fat Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this thing and thought it was just as full of holes in logic as you did.  I was going to write something up, but you did a much better job summarizing my critiques than I ever could.  Nicely done!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The one thing I would add is that this line was also particularly bad: &quot;And this would be the case even if one conceded what is most assuredly dubious—namely, that public policy could be crafted and enforced so as to minimize the deleterious effects of the widespread distribution and use of such drugs.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As if the current public policy of making them illegal is effective in stopping usage and doesn&#039;t have the deleterious effect of turning many otherwise law abiding citizens into outlaws purchasing drugs of unknown quality over the internet.  Cough, &lt;a href=&quot;http://nubrain.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nubrain.com&lt;/a&gt;, cough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this thing and thought it was just as full of holes in logic as you did.  I was going to write something up, but you did a much better job summarizing my critiques than I ever could.  Nicely done!</p>
<p>The one thing I would add is that this line was also particularly bad: &#8220;And this would be the case even if one conceded what is most assuredly dubious—namely, that public policy could be crafted and enforced so as to minimize the deleterious effects of the widespread distribution and use of such drugs.&#8221;</p>
<p>As if the current public policy of making them illegal is effective in stopping usage and doesn&#39;t have the deleterious effect of turning many otherwise law abiding citizens into outlaws purchasing drugs of unknown quality over the internet.  Cough, <a href="http://nubrain.com" rel="nofollow">nubrain.com</a>, cough.</p>
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		<title>By: kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with the crowd here that Barnard&#039;s argument isn&#039;t really that strong.  However, I think there is something to be said for acting with a little more caution when it comes to &#039;cognitive enhancement.&#039;  As a neuroscientist, not that that necessarily qualifies me as an authority, I have to tell you that we don&#039;t have any freaking clue how our brains really work and even less about how all of these various substances might affect the long-term functioning of the organic circuitry that gives us the ability to think in the first place.  Everything you put into your body can literally alter the phsical structure of your brain--as Will points out even a balanced diet could be called a &#039;cognitive enhancer.&#039;  Sure coffee (or the other worn-out example, Ritalin) is great, but are you sure that it&#039;s not selectively enhancing some mental processes at the expense of others, and is your brain going to be plastic enough to regain them later on if need be after years of underuse?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t really have a problem with the idea of &#039;cognitive enhancement&#039;, but with how we can, again, &#039;responsibly&#039; put it into practice.  Of course it would be great to have a better memory for facts, or a greater working memory load, or a heightened ability to recognize patterns, or a better integration of auditory and visual input, or a more refined ability to direct my attention.  Due to our brains&#039; remarkable plasticity, humans have always had a way to go about doing this--training and repetition, which we&#039;ve formalized with schools.  The use of pharmaceuticals as cognitive enhancers is--at this point--merely to accelerate this learning process.  Will it always be such?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For me, the main problem with the use of drugs for cognitive enhancement, aside from our utter ignorance of their full effects, is not the drugs themselves but our education system.  Depending on your family and cultural upbringing, there are many ways we define success in school, but our current system holds test scores up as the ultimate measure, and the use of standardized testing is only growing.  You can go elsewhere for a full take-down of the sheer idiocy of this, but we&#039;ve made a single way of thinking the &quot;best&quot; way for an entire generation.  And then there&#039;s the ever-increasing pressure to &quot;succeed,&quot; get into the &quot;right&quot; college, and the valuation of certain careers (law, medicine--thankfully finance may not be on the list anymore) well above others.  Throw the additional selecting pressure of long-term use of cognitive enhancing drugs into this mess and to me it&#039;s a recipe for a generation of homogeneous thinkers.  Will they still retain that most powerful of human cognitive abilities that allowed us to populate the entire planet and flourish in the face of all its varied and constantly changing dangers--creativity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with the crowd here that Barnard&#39;s argument isn&#39;t really that strong.  However, I think there is something to be said for acting with a little more caution when it comes to &#39;cognitive enhancement.&#39;  As a neuroscientist, not that that necessarily qualifies me as an authority, I have to tell you that we don&#39;t have any freaking clue how our brains really work and even less about how all of these various substances might affect the long-term functioning of the organic circuitry that gives us the ability to think in the first place.  Everything you put into your body can literally alter the phsical structure of your brain&#8211;as Will points out even a balanced diet could be called a &#39;cognitive enhancer.&#39;  Sure coffee (or the other worn-out example, Ritalin) is great, but are you sure that it&#39;s not selectively enhancing some mental processes at the expense of others, and is your brain going to be plastic enough to regain them later on if need be after years of underuse?  </p>
<p>I don&#39;t really have a problem with the idea of &#39;cognitive enhancement&#39;, but with how we can, again, &#39;responsibly&#39; put it into practice.  Of course it would be great to have a better memory for facts, or a greater working memory load, or a heightened ability to recognize patterns, or a better integration of auditory and visual input, or a more refined ability to direct my attention.  Due to our brains&#39; remarkable plasticity, humans have always had a way to go about doing this&#8211;training and repetition, which we&#39;ve formalized with schools.  The use of pharmaceuticals as cognitive enhancers is&#8211;at this point&#8211;merely to accelerate this learning process.  Will it always be such?  </p>
<p>For me, the main problem with the use of drugs for cognitive enhancement, aside from our utter ignorance of their full effects, is not the drugs themselves but our education system.  Depending on your family and cultural upbringing, there are many ways we define success in school, but our current system holds test scores up as the ultimate measure, and the use of standardized testing is only growing.  You can go elsewhere for a full take-down of the sheer idiocy of this, but we&#39;ve made a single way of thinking the &#8220;best&#8221; way for an entire generation.  And then there&#39;s the ever-increasing pressure to &#8220;succeed,&#8221; get into the &#8220;right&#8221; college, and the valuation of certain careers (law, medicine&#8211;thankfully finance may not be on the list anymore) well above others.  Throw the additional selecting pressure of long-term use of cognitive enhancing drugs into this mess and to me it&#39;s a recipe for a generation of homogeneous thinkers.  Will they still retain that most powerful of human cognitive abilities that allowed us to populate the entire planet and flourish in the face of all its varied and constantly changing dangers&#8211;creativity?</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this much-needed rebuttal.  I think the mysticism of Easter weekend must have momentarily dulled Andrew&#039;s usual intellectual acuity, making him more susceptible to lofty-sounding, natural law-type rubbish arguments.  Barnard&#039;s article reminded me very much of my med school bioethics course, taught by a Dominican priest known to his students as Father O&#039;Pinion.  When I got to the end of the article, I was surprised to see that he&#039;s an associate professor of philosophy, but when I read the bit about the &quot;Institute for Intellectual Discipleship,&quot; it all started to make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this much-needed rebuttal.  I think the mysticism of Easter weekend must have momentarily dulled Andrew&#39;s usual intellectual acuity, making him more susceptible to lofty-sounding, natural law-type rubbish arguments.  Barnard&#39;s article reminded me very much of my med school bioethics course, taught by a Dominican priest known to his students as Father O&#39;Pinion.  When I got to the end of the article, I was surprised to see that he&#39;s an associate professor of philosophy, but when I read the bit about the &#8220;Institute for Intellectual Discipleship,&#8221; it all started to make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Roq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for responding to that truly stupid argument.  When he complained about people in favor of performance enhancers as being reductionists, I laughed out loud.  Then I cried at the thought of all the people that would read him uncritically because of Andrew.  The resulting depression was too extreme.  I simply couldn&#039;t gather up the energy to point out the many, many problems with the post.  I am grateful someone else did.  Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for responding to that truly stupid argument.  When he complained about people in favor of performance enhancers as being reductionists, I laughed out loud.  Then I cried at the thought of all the people that would read him uncritically because of Andrew.  The resulting depression was too extreme.  I simply couldn&#39;t gather up the energy to point out the many, many problems with the post.  I am grateful someone else did.  Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Pender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awe. Some.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blogs were made to permit this kind of grand-slam rebuttal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awe. Some.</p>
<p>Blogs were made to permit this kind of grand-slam rebuttal.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question in which I am very deeply interested and to which, sadly, I have as yet no good answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question in which I am very deeply interested and to which, sadly, I have as yet no good answer.</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you say that our moral intuitions are now obsolete, so we now have to &quot;start over&quot; and retrain moral intuitions to maximize flourishing in the current environment, who&#039;s to say we shouldn&#039;t &quot;start over&quot; more radically? Should we accept that one day computers should replace us as the &quot;most important moral agent&quot;? (because, say, one day they will be better than us at all this stuff). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When we start over, with what values are we starting over? Or how radically to start over. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whose well-being and flourishing do we wish to maximize? Only human well-being and flourishing? Or is it the well-being and flourishing of life or of moral agents more generally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you say that our moral intuitions are now obsolete, so we now have to &#8220;start over&#8221; and retrain moral intuitions to maximize flourishing in the current environment, who&#39;s to say we shouldn&#39;t &#8220;start over&#8221; more radically? Should we accept that one day computers should replace us as the &#8220;most important moral agent&#8221;? (because, say, one day they will be better than us at all this stuff). </p>
<p>When we start over, with what values are we starting over? Or how radically to start over. </p>
<p>Whose well-being and flourishing do we wish to maximize? Only human well-being and flourishing? Or is it the well-being and flourishing of life or of moral agents more generally?</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-medievalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anti-medievalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He might have said:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;For while the capacities to paint one&#039;s face and nails are indeed goods of human life, they are neither the highest of human goods nor are they ends in themselves. Yet, the use of cosmetics by the healthy implicitly treats the single good at which the product aims as though it were the most important or only good of one’s physical life considered as a whole.&quot;</description>
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<p>&#8220;For while the capacities to paint one&#39;s face and nails are indeed goods of human life, they are neither the highest of human goods nor are they ends in themselves. Yet, the use of cosmetics by the healthy implicitly treats the single good at which the product aims as though it were the most important or only good of one’s physical life considered as a whole.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rp johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>rp johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is fascinating!  Sort of makes me feel that I spent too much time in the wrong fields.  Economics is nowhere as interesting as this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fascinating!  Sort of makes me feel that I spent too much time in the wrong fields.  Economics is nowhere as interesting as this discussion.</p>
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