Comments on: APPLYING FOR AN H-1B VISA THIS YEAR? KNOW ANYONE WHO IS? http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/ The Sweet Release of Reason Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:45 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jen http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23506 Jen Tue, 24 Mar 2009 02:50:57 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23506 The point is that there is no right to attend Harvard, just like there is no right to be permitted to live and work in any foreign country of my choosing. Any time I apply to do something I want to do and am denied, it may have a negative impact on me. This is true no matter the nature of the entity denying my request. If I don't get what I want, I may be sad. I'm not sure why that is study-worthy. The point is that there is no right to attend Harvard, just like there is no right to be permitted to live and work in any foreign country of my choosing. Any time I apply to do something I want to do and am denied, it may have a negative impact on me. This is true no matter the nature of the entity denying my request. If I don't get what I want, I may be sad. I'm not sure why that is study-worthy.

]]> By: Not So Fast http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23510 Not So Fast Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:51:55 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23510 No. I don't know how many ways you'd like me to say it. The only immoral immigration policy is one that is damaging to the interests of those people whose interests the government is charged with protecting - namely, the citizens of that country. Other than that, all bets are off. Repeat after me: THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A RIGHT TO IMMIGRATE. PERIOD. No. I don't know how many ways you'd like me to say it. The only immoral immigration policy is one that is damaging to the interests of those people whose interests the government is charged with protecting – namely, the citizens of that country. Other than that, all bets are off. Repeat after me: THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A RIGHT TO IMMIGRATE. PERIOD.

]]> By: Not So Fast http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23512 Not So Fast Tue, 24 Mar 2009 01:47:33 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23512 <I>From the premise that the distribution of visas is an issue of justice,</I><br><br>You can stop right there, because there's no such thing as a recognized right to immigrate anywhere on earth, our aspiring Atticus Finch having pulled one from his suppository repository notwithstanding. Until you can demonstrate one of those, "cuz we said so!" is all the justification needed. The privilege of immigration is granted entirely at the discretion of the host nation. End of story. From the premise that the distribution of visas is an issue of justice,

You can stop right there, because there's no such thing as a recognized right to immigrate anywhere on earth, our aspiring Atticus Finch having pulled one from his suppository repository notwithstanding. Until you can demonstrate one of those, “cuz we said so!” is all the justification needed. The privilege of immigration is granted entirely at the discretion of the host nation. End of story.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23508 Will Wilkinson Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:52:11 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23508 Well, sure. But your point is...? The USA is neither a private nor special-purpose institution like Harvard. The USA's policies of admission and exclusion require a fundamentally different sort of justification than do Harvard's. Well, sure. But your point is…? The USA is neither a private nor special-purpose institution like Harvard. The USA's policies of admission and exclusion require a fundamentally different sort of justification than do Harvard's.

]]> By: Jen http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23507 Jen Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:36:05 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23507 Yes, well not getting into Harvard probably had a negative impact on my career. I mean Harvard literally distributes acceptances, and not getting one probably has a negative impact on the lives of those not admitted.<br><br>Whatever. Yes, well not getting into Harvard probably had a negative impact on my career. I mean Harvard literally distributes acceptances, and not getting one probably has a negative impact on the lives of those not admitted.

Whatever.

]]> By: Matthew Tievsky http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23511 Matthew Tievsky Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:01:07 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23511 From the premise that the distribution of visas is an issue of justice, it does not follow that we must allow totally unrestricted immigration and naturalization. (E.g., I think all of us here would endorse restrictions upon immigrants' voting rights. I think what Will's primarily arguing against is using immigration law as a means of labor protectionism.) So whereas I agree you've made some points that support some restrictions upon immigration, you haven't defeated Will's major premise, which is merely that immigration restrictions MUST BE JUSTIFIED by legitimate concerns (including some you've alluded to). From the premise that the distribution of visas is an issue of justice, it does not follow that we must allow totally unrestricted immigration and naturalization. (E.g., I think all of us here would endorse restrictions upon immigrants' voting rights. I think what Will's primarily arguing against is using immigration law as a means of labor protectionism.) So whereas I agree you've made some points that support some restrictions upon immigration, you haven't defeated Will's major premise, which is merely that immigration restrictions MUST BE JUSTIFIED by legitimate concerns (including some you've alluded to).

]]> By: Matthew Tievsky http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23509 Matthew Tievsky Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:49:54 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23509 Your "answer" comes off as evasive because you toss back rhetorical questions and refer to a general "right to estabilsh criteria," which I'm not challenging. I'm asking very specifically: <br><br>Is there anything unjust about an American immigration policy of admitting only white people (not too different from what we've had in the past)? <br><br>I really can't tell your answer from your previous comment. Yes or no? Your “answer” comes off as evasive because you toss back rhetorical questions and refer to a general “right to estabilsh criteria,” which I'm not challenging. I'm asking very specifically:

Is there anything unjust about an American immigration policy of admitting only white people (not too different from what we've had in the past)?

I really can't tell your answer from your previous comment. Yes or no?

]]> By: Jen http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23505 Jen Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:50:57 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23505 The point is that there is no right to attend Harvard, just like there is no right to be permitted to live and work in any foreign country of my choosing. Any time I apply to do something I want to do and am denied, it may have a negative impact on me. This is true no matter the nature of the entity denying my request. If I don't get what I want, I may be sad. I'm not sure why that is study-worthy. The point is that there is no right to attend Harvard, just like there is no right to be permitted to live and work in any foreign country of my choosing. Any time I apply to do something I want to do and am denied, it may have a negative impact on me. This is true no matter the nature of the entity denying my request. If I don't get what I want, I may be sad. I'm not sure why that is study-worthy.

]]> By: Not So Fast http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23504 Not So Fast Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:51:55 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23504 No. I don't know how many ways you'd like me to say it. The only immoral immigration policy is one that is damaging to the interests of those people whose interests the government is charged with protecting - namely, the citizens of that country. Other than that, all bets are off. Repeat after me: THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A RIGHT TO IMMIGRATE. PERIOD. No. I don't know how many ways you'd like me to say it. The only immoral immigration policy is one that is damaging to the interests of those people whose interests the government is charged with protecting – namely, the citizens of that country. Other than that, all bets are off. Repeat after me: THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A RIGHT TO IMMIGRATE. PERIOD.

]]> By: Not So Fast http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23503 Not So Fast Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:47:33 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23503 <I>From the premise that the distribution of visas is an issue of justice,</I><br><br>You can stop right there, because there's no such thing as a recognized right to immigrate anywhere on earth, our aspiring Atticus Finch having pulled one from his suppository repository notwithstanding. Until you can demonstrate one of those, "cuz we said so!" is all the justification needed. The privilege of immigration is granted entirely at the discretion of the host nation. End of story. From the premise that the distribution of visas is an issue of justice,

You can stop right there, because there's no such thing as a recognized right to immigrate anywhere on earth, our aspiring Atticus Finch having pulled one from his suppository repository notwithstanding. Until you can demonstrate one of those, “cuz we said so!” is all the justification needed. The privilege of immigration is granted entirely at the discretion of the host nation. End of story.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23502 Will Wilkinson Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:52:11 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23502 Well, sure. But your point is...? The USA is neither a private nor special-purpose institution like Harvard. The USA's policies of admission and exclusion require a fundamentally different sort of justification than do Harvard's. Well, sure. But your point is…? The USA is neither a private nor special-purpose institution like Harvard. The USA's policies of admission and exclusion require a fundamentally different sort of justification than do Harvard's.

]]> By: Jen http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23501 Jen Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:36:05 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23501 Yes, well not getting into Harvard probably had a negative impact on my career. I mean Harvard literally distributes acceptances, and not getting one probably has a negative impact on the lives of those not admitted.<br><br>Whatever. Yes, well not getting into Harvard probably had a negative impact on my career. I mean Harvard literally distributes acceptances, and not getting one probably has a negative impact on the lives of those not admitted.

Whatever.

]]> By: Matthew Tievsky http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23500 Matthew Tievsky Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:01:07 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23500 From the premise that the distribution of visas is an issue of justice, it does not follow that we must allow totally unrestricted immigration and naturalization. (E.g., I think all of us here would endorse restrictions upon immigrants' voting rights. I think what Will's primarily arguing against is using immigration law as a means of labor protectionism.) So whereas I agree you've made some points that support some restrictions upon immigration, you haven't defeated Will's major premise, which is merely that immigration restrictions MUST BE JUSTIFIED by legitimate concerns (including some you've alluded to). From the premise that the distribution of visas is an issue of justice, it does not follow that we must allow totally unrestricted immigration and naturalization. (E.g., I think all of us here would endorse restrictions upon immigrants' voting rights. I think what Will's primarily arguing against is using immigration law as a means of labor protectionism.) So whereas I agree you've made some points that support some restrictions upon immigration, you haven't defeated Will's major premise, which is merely that immigration restrictions MUST BE JUSTIFIED by legitimate concerns (including some you've alluded to).

]]> By: Matthew Tievsky http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/03/18/applying-for-an-h-1b-visa-this-year-know-anyone-who-is/#comment-23499 Matthew Tievsky Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:49:54 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=3192#comment-23499 Your "answer" comes off as evasive because you toss back rhetorical questions and refer to a general "right to estabilsh criteria," which I'm not challenging. I'm asking very specifically: <br><br>Is there anything unjust about an American immigration policy of admitting only white people (not too different from what we've had in the past)? <br><br>I really can't tell your answer from your previous comment. Yes or no? Your “answer” comes off as evasive because you toss back rhetorical questions and refer to a general “right to estabilsh criteria,” which I'm not challenging. I'm asking very specifically:

Is there anything unjust about an American immigration policy of admitting only white people (not too different from what we've had in the past)?

I really can't tell your answer from your previous comment. Yes or no?

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