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		<title>By: Eunomia &#187; Statism</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/18/hey-im-a-statist/#comment-21583</link>
		<dc:creator>Eunomia &#187; Statism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few people and many of them would not call themselves conservatives. Suffice it to say that when Will Wilkinson accepts the moniker &#8220;statist,&#8221; its value as a pejorative insult has been [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] few people and many of them would not call themselves conservatives. Suffice it to say that when Will Wilkinson accepts the moniker &#8220;statist,&#8221; its value as a pejorative insult has been [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/18/hey-im-a-statist/#comment-21585</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know, he spent quite a bit of time in the DC area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, he spent quite a bit of time in the DC area.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/18/hey-im-a-statist/#comment-21584</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be very shocked if those motivations didn&#039;t play some part as I&#039;ve been to similar parties and hang out in various circles that likely reflect a similar composition with a large number of liberals.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think it&#039;s rude to ask people to question their own motivations and to be honest about what they hope to achieve with various political (and thus social) projects.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve been in the DC area since 1996 and it&#039;s fairly easy for me to state that my social life would be better if there were more open-minded liberals around these parts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I definitely think there is room for more engagement with liberals, but I don&#039;t think it has to come at the cost of purposefully dismissing conservative allies.  Why do we need liberaltarians?  I would rather see more libertarians who engage with liberals and conservatives on specific issues and make progress there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be very shocked if those motivations didn&#39;t play some part as I&#39;ve been to similar parties and hang out in various circles that likely reflect a similar composition with a large number of liberals.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s rude to ask people to question their own motivations and to be honest about what they hope to achieve with various political (and thus social) projects.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve been in the DC area since 1996 and it&#39;s fairly easy for me to state that my social life would be better if there were more open-minded liberals around these parts.</p>
<p>I definitely think there is room for more engagement with liberals, but I don&#39;t think it has to come at the cost of purposefully dismissing conservative allies.  Why do we need liberaltarians?  I would rather see more libertarians who engage with liberals and conservatives on specific issues and make progress there.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/18/hey-im-a-statist/#comment-21582</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know, he spent quite a bit of time in the DC area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, he spent quite a bit of time in the DC area.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/18/hey-im-a-statist/#comment-21581</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be very shocked if those motivations didn&#039;t play some part as I&#039;ve been to similar parties and hang out in various circles that likely reflect a similar composition with a large number of liberals.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think it&#039;s rude to ask people to question their own motivations and to be honest about what they hope to achieve with various political (and thus social) projects.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve been in the DC area since 1996 and it&#039;s fairly easy for me to state that my social life would be better if there were more open-minded liberals around these parts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I definitely think there is room for more engagement with liberals, but I don&#039;t think it has to come at the cost of purposefully dismissing conservative allies.  Why do we need liberaltarians?  I would rather see more libertarians who engage with liberals and conservatives on specific issues and make progress there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be very shocked if those motivations didn&#39;t play some part as I&#39;ve been to similar parties and hang out in various circles that likely reflect a similar composition with a large number of liberals.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s rude to ask people to question their own motivations and to be honest about what they hope to achieve with various political (and thus social) projects.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve been in the DC area since 1996 and it&#39;s fairly easy for me to state that my social life would be better if there were more open-minded liberals around these parts.</p>
<p>I definitely think there is room for more engagement with liberals, but I don&#39;t think it has to come at the cost of purposefully dismissing conservative allies.  Why do we need liberaltarians?  I would rather see more libertarians who engage with liberals and conservatives on specific issues and make progress there.</p>
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		<title>By: GilM</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/18/hey-im-a-statist/#comment-21580</link>
		<dc:creator>GilM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it&#039;s natural, and probably beneficial, to want to find common ground with people we respect.  It&#039;s a good source of criticism of our ideas, and it does make life more comfortable.  We just need to be careful that  we&#039;re correcting mistakes, rather than adopting them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I just don&#039;t know how one could confidently judge someone else&#039;s arguments to stem from this impulse, unless one sees such glaring mistakes that he can&#039;t imagine another plausible explanation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t see anything like that.  And, although I&#039;m sure Will is very philosophical about blog comments, I think it&#039;s better to avoid seeming rude and presumptuous about his motivations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suspect that Will is more familiar with many areas liberal thought, and more liberal people, than I am.  It&#039;s very possible that his judgment about them is better than mine.  I&#039;m just unconvinced about that presently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.</p>
<p>I think it&#39;s natural, and probably beneficial, to want to find common ground with people we respect.  It&#39;s a good source of criticism of our ideas, and it does make life more comfortable.  We just need to be careful that  we&#39;re correcting mistakes, rather than adopting them.</p>
<p>I just don&#39;t know how one could confidently judge someone else&#39;s arguments to stem from this impulse, unless one sees such glaring mistakes that he can&#39;t imagine another plausible explanation.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t see anything like that.  And, although I&#39;m sure Will is very philosophical about blog comments, I think it&#39;s better to avoid seeming rude and presumptuous about his motivations.</p>
<p>I suspect that Will is more familiar with many areas liberal thought, and more liberal people, than I am.  It&#39;s very possible that his judgment about them is better than mine.  I&#39;m just unconvinced about that presently.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg N.</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/18/hey-im-a-statist/#comment-21579</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will lives in Iowa.</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/18/hey-im-a-statist/#comment-21578</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrence,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I see what you are saying, but I think it is either very misleading or very confused to claim that Will is actually interested in anything similar to a Rawlsian picture of a liberal state.  I don&#039;t really think the veil of ignorance story is doing most of the work in his theory-he drops it later in any case.  Harsanyi has an original condition that looks more similar to what you seem to be talking about, but regardless, it seems like we are talking about some kind of broadly contractualist theory.  Ok, Fine.  Why Rawls?  What is Rawlsian about this?  If you are looking for a contractualist theory, there are plenty to choose from.  Buchanan has one, Lomasky has one, Gauthier has one, Harsanyi has one, Gaus has one, etc.  I think Will&#039;s position is probably closer to Gaus&#039;s if we were atually to hammer it down into a specific position.  The Gausian view is importantly, that is, non-trivially different from the Rawlsian position.  Differences that would be important to someone who has classical liberal sympathies and takes public choice seriously.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not sure why I am arguing about what someone else (Will) should label his beliefs as, but I think the adding  the &quot;Rawls&quot; modifier to his view is extremely misleading.  I think I get what Will is saying, but there is really not that much that is Rawlsian about it.  How much does fairness and reciprocity figure into the picture?  I&#039;m going to say probably not that much.  Certainly not in the way that Rawls thinks about it.  I suspect that all the talk of &quot;sharing in each others fate&quot; would be alien in Will&#039;s version of a Rawlsian synthesis.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know that the project here is to signal that Will is close to the left, but Will is just as close to Rawls as he is to Rothbard, which is to say not that close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrence,</p>
<p>I see what you are saying, but I think it is either very misleading or very confused to claim that Will is actually interested in anything similar to a Rawlsian picture of a liberal state.  I don&#39;t really think the veil of ignorance story is doing most of the work in his theory-he drops it later in any case.  Harsanyi has an original condition that looks more similar to what you seem to be talking about, but regardless, it seems like we are talking about some kind of broadly contractualist theory.  Ok, Fine.  Why Rawls?  What is Rawlsian about this?  If you are looking for a contractualist theory, there are plenty to choose from.  Buchanan has one, Lomasky has one, Gauthier has one, Harsanyi has one, Gaus has one, etc.  I think Will&#39;s position is probably closer to Gaus&#39;s if we were atually to hammer it down into a specific position.  The Gausian view is importantly, that is, non-trivially different from the Rawlsian position.  Differences that would be important to someone who has classical liberal sympathies and takes public choice seriously.  </p>
<p>I&#39;m not sure why I am arguing about what someone else (Will) should label his beliefs as, but I think the adding  the &#8220;Rawls&#8221; modifier to his view is extremely misleading.  I think I get what Will is saying, but there is really not that much that is Rawlsian about it.  How much does fairness and reciprocity figure into the picture?  I&#39;m going to say probably not that much.  Certainly not in the way that Rawls thinks about it.  I suspect that all the talk of &#8220;sharing in each others fate&#8221; would be alien in Will&#39;s version of a Rawlsian synthesis.  </p>
<p>I know that the project here is to signal that Will is close to the left, but Will is just as close to Rawls as he is to Rothbard, which is to say not that close.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/18/hey-im-a-statist/#comment-21577</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a bad motive...merely a selfish one instead of philosophical.  I&#039;m sure it&#039;s a mixture of quite a few things, but it would not surprise me that one of them is to be better friends with liberals.  DC is chock full of those nuts and many of them are not very open-minded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think that&#39;s a bad motive&#8230;merely a selfish one instead of philosophical.  I&#39;m sure it&#39;s a mixture of quite a few things, but it would not surprise me that one of them is to be better friends with liberals.  DC is chock full of those nuts and many of them are not very open-minded.</p>
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		<title>By: Jer</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/18/hey-im-a-statist/#comment-21576</link>
		<dc:creator>Jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me rephrase: current union law (and new card check!) increase unemployment, shoot from the hip environmentalism increases energy costs, oddly compensated lawyers hurt honest businesses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I take pollution (easy public good example) as my guide I&#039;d pass onerous anti-union, anti-environmentalist, anti-lawyer (I skipped my qualifiers for all three) taxes on the lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me rephrase: current union law (and new card check!) increase unemployment, shoot from the hip environmentalism increases energy costs, oddly compensated lawyers hurt honest businesses.</p>
<p>If I take pollution (easy public good example) as my guide I&#39;d pass onerous anti-union, anti-environmentalist, anti-lawyer (I skipped my qualifiers for all three) taxes on the lot.</p>
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