Comments on: The Hope and Horror of Liberaltarian Alignments http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/ The Sweet Release of Reason Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:45 +0000 hourly 1 By: Liberals + libertarians = liberaltarians « The Spirit of Moderation http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21466 Liberals + libertarians = liberaltarians « The Spirit of Moderation Tue, 06 Jul 2010 22:57:45 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21466 [...] Wilkinson: “Missing the Point of Liberaltarianism.” February 11th, 2009. Also: “The Hope and Horror of Liberaltarian Alignments.” February 16th, 2009. Also: “Could Liberaltarianism Matter?” April 8th, 2010. As [...] [...] Wilkinson: “Missing the Point of Liberaltarianism.” February 11th, 2009. Also: “The Hope and Horror of Liberaltarian Alignments.” February 16th, 2009. Also: “Could Liberaltarianism Matter?” April 8th, 2010. As [...]

]]> By: On Liberaltarianism » The HPRty http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21462 On Liberaltarianism » The HPRty Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:12:01 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21462 [...] Will Wilkinson rightly diagnoses the Republican Party’s brain drain: smart people don’t want to hang around with “flag-waving moral reactionaries” no matter how much they all might agree on the godlike efficiency of the market. But he still does believe in the market, so he can’t, or hasn’t, given himself up to the Democrats just yet: [...] [...] Will Wilkinson rightly diagnoses the Republican Party’s brain drain: smart people don’t want to hang around with “flag-waving moral reactionaries” no matter how much they all might agree on the godlike efficiency of the market. But he still does believe in the market, so he can’t, or hasn’t, given himself up to the Democrats just yet: [...]

]]> By: The John Birch Society was right! « Entitled to an Opinion http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21461 The John Birch Society was right! « Entitled to an Opinion Sat, 26 Dec 2009 23:45:53 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21461 [...] Mauro was upset that the upcoming CPAC will be sponsored by the John Birch Society. As I’ve said before, I’m sympathetic to the JBS and think the political right could have benefited from more of [...] [...] Mauro was upset that the upcoming CPAC will be sponsored by the John Birch Society. As I’ve said before, I’m sympathetic to the JBS and think the political right could have benefited from more of [...]

]]> By: Ragged Clown » Blog Archive » Liberaltarians Unite! http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21460 Ragged Clown » Blog Archive » Liberaltarians Unite! Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:14:35 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21460 [...] another post, Will explains why libertarians (and he includes himself as such) might be more at home on the left and paints a nice picture for [...] [...] another post, Will explains why libertarians (and he includes himself as such) might be more at home on the left and paints a nice picture for [...]

]]> By: Now On the Liberaltarianism Channel: Reflections on Liberaltarianism http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21459 Now On the Liberaltarianism Channel: Reflections on Liberaltarianism Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:48:50 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21459 [...] Here’s another reply from Ross. Let me say something about this bit: Yes, there’s a best-case scenario in which the dumbening of the American Right works out fine for libertarians, because the infusion [...] [...] Here’s another reply from Ross. Let me say something about this bit: Yes, there’s a best-case scenario in which the dumbening of the American Right works out fine for libertarians, because the infusion [...]

]]> By: JB http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21465 JB Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:06:34 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21465 Human problems are definitely not solved by people shouting "I care ALOT and poor people hurt me in my sensitive places" while actively promoting policies that screw over people.<br><br>If you honestly don't think Republicans read, then maybe you need to get out more and meet a few of them. I don't think many college professors are "intellectual" because very few of them question the dogma they hear and spread on a consistent basis. Human problems are definitely not solved by people shouting “I care ALOT and poor people hurt me in my sensitive places” while actively promoting policies that screw over people.

If you honestly don't think Republicans read, then maybe you need to get out more and meet a few of them. I don't think many college professors are “intellectual” because very few of them question the dogma they hear and spread on a consistent basis.

]]> By: skeptical http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21464 skeptical Thu, 19 Feb 2009 05:32:15 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21464 It isn't the morons vs. smart people. What makes "intellectuals" is the ability to be persuaded by demonstrable proof, and even your boatloads of morons are educable because they read, critically evaluate research, expose themselves to multiple points of view, even if they don't like them. <br><br>That makes middling professors at middling schools more "intellectual" than all the people responsible for Republican recruiting this decade, and however much Libertarian intellectual purity stands up to weaselly liberalism, Libertarians haven't quite understood human problems and suffering aren't solved by a shouting match. <br><br>You might have done well to immerse yourself in the thinking of a boatload of morons. It isn't the morons vs. smart people. What makes “intellectuals” is the ability to be persuaded by demonstrable proof, and even your boatloads of morons are educable because they read, critically evaluate research, expose themselves to multiple points of view, even if they don't like them.

That makes middling professors at middling schools more “intellectual” than all the people responsible for Republican recruiting this decade, and however much Libertarian intellectual purity stands up to weaselly liberalism, Libertarians haven't quite understood human problems and suffering aren't solved by a shouting match.

You might have done well to immerse yourself in the thinking of a boatload of morons.

]]> By: JB http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21463 JB Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:48:07 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21463 My party? I don't even have a party, buddy.<br><br>Anything citing "their IQ scores"? I know facts are hard and all.<br><br>I went to a top 20 school and often had fairly intelligent professors, but I purposefully avoided the boatload of morons. This was at one of the "better" schools. Academia, from professors down to students, isn't all that brilliant as many people like to claim it is. My party? I don't even have a party, buddy.

Anything citing “their IQ scores”? I know facts are hard and all.

I went to a top 20 school and often had fairly intelligent professors, but I purposefully avoided the boatload of morons. This was at one of the “better” schools. Academia, from professors down to students, isn't all that brilliant as many people like to claim it is.

]]> By: JB http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21458 JB Thu, 19 Feb 2009 03:06:34 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21458 Human problems are definitely not solved by people shouting "I care ALOT and poor people hurt me in my sensitive places" while actively promoting policies that screw over people.<br><br>If you honestly don't think Republicans read, then maybe you need to get out more and meet a few of them. I don't think many college professors are "intellectual" because very few of them question the dogma they hear and spread on a consistent basis. Human problems are definitely not solved by people shouting “I care ALOT and poor people hurt me in my sensitive places” while actively promoting policies that screw over people.

If you honestly don't think Republicans read, then maybe you need to get out more and meet a few of them. I don't think many college professors are “intellectual” because very few of them question the dogma they hear and spread on a consistent basis.

]]> By: John http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21457 John Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:36:25 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21457 "Global Warming denialiasm" = fundie?!<br><br>TRY AGAIN.<br><br>It's the SUN, people.<br><br>And I'm a libertarian/classical liberal, and a Deist/Taoist who, after countless bad encounters with fundies, pretty well loathe and despise them.<br><br>It's. The. SUN.<br><br>Learn it. <br><br>Live it. <br><br>Know it. <br><br>Deal with it. “Global Warming denialiasm” = fundie?!

TRY AGAIN.

It's the SUN, people.

And I'm a libertarian/classical liberal, and a Deist/Taoist who, after countless bad encounters with fundies, pretty well loathe and despise them.

It's. The. SUN.

Learn it.

Live it.

Know it.

Deal with it.

]]> By: skeptical http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21456 skeptical Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:32:15 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21456 It isn't the morons vs. smart people. What makes "intellectuals" is the ability to be persuaded by demonstrable proof, and even your boatloads of morons are educable because they read, critically evaluate research, expose themselves to multiple points of view, even if they don't like them. <br><br>That makes middling professors at middling schools more "intellectual" than all the people responsible for Republican recruiting this decade, and however much Libertarian intellectual purity stands up to weaselly liberalism, Libertarians haven't quite understood human problems and suffering aren't solved by a shouting match. <br><br>You might have done well to immerse yourself in the thinking of a boatload of morons. It isn't the morons vs. smart people. What makes “intellectuals” is the ability to be persuaded by demonstrable proof, and even your boatloads of morons are educable because they read, critically evaluate research, expose themselves to multiple points of view, even if they don't like them.

That makes middling professors at middling schools more “intellectual” than all the people responsible for Republican recruiting this decade, and however much Libertarian intellectual purity stands up to weaselly liberalism, Libertarians haven't quite understood human problems and suffering aren't solved by a shouting match.

You might have done well to immerse yourself in the thinking of a boatload of morons.

]]> By: Most People Are Not Like You « The American Catholic http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21452 Most People Are Not Like You « The American Catholic Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:40:34 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21452 [...] Wilkinson over whether secular libertarian intellectuals should all pack up and join the Democrats. Will predicts: …I think intellectual capital flight from the right really does threaten the GOPs future [...] [...] Wilkinson over whether secular libertarian intellectuals should all pack up and join the Democrats. Will predicts: …I think intellectual capital flight from the right really does threaten the GOPs future [...]

]]> By: Power Party Shift. « Cornell Insider http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21451 Power Party Shift. « Cornell Insider Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:29:22 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21451 [...] by dennisshiraev on February 18, 2009 A very interesting discussion about the possibility of libertarians slowly shifting towards the moderate wings of the Democratic [...] [...] by dennisshiraev on February 18, 2009 A very interesting discussion about the possibility of libertarians slowly shifting towards the moderate wings of the Democratic [...]

]]> By: Libertarians and the Republican Party - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21448 Libertarians and the Republican Party - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:49:28 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21448 [...] Will Wilkinson is debating conservatives again, this time responding to those who think libertarians should stick with the Republicans. Ross Douthat wrote: What could happen … is a bigger-tent liberalism - somewhat chastened, perhaps, by some big-government failures in the Obama era - that makes libertarian intellectuals feel welcome, engages them in conversations about smarter regulations and more efficient tax policy, and generally woos them away from their culturally-dissonant alliance with people who attend megachurches and Sarah Palin rallies. This would make for a smarter left-of-center in the short run, but I think in the long run it would be pernicious. It would further the Democratic Party’s transformation into a closed circle of brainy meritocrats, and push the Republican Party in a yet more anti-intellectual direction. And it would produce an elite consensus more impervious to structural critiques, and a right-wing populism more incapable of providing them. The Democratic Party would hold power more often, and become more sclerotic as a result; the GOP would take office less often, and behave more recklessly on those rare occasions when it did manage to seize the reins of state. [...] [...] Will Wilkinson is debating conservatives again, this time responding to those who think libertarians should stick with the Republicans. Ross Douthat wrote: What could happen … is a bigger-tent liberalism – somewhat chastened, perhaps, by some big-government failures in the Obama era – that makes libertarian intellectuals feel welcome, engages them in conversations about smarter regulations and more efficient tax policy, and generally woos them away from their culturally-dissonant alliance with people who attend megachurches and Sarah Palin rallies. This would make for a smarter left-of-center in the short run, but I think in the long run it would be pernicious. It would further the Democratic Party’s transformation into a closed circle of brainy meritocrats, and push the Republican Party in a yet more anti-intellectual direction. And it would produce an elite consensus more impervious to structural critiques, and a right-wing populism more incapable of providing them. The Democratic Party would hold power more often, and become more sclerotic as a result; the GOP would take office less often, and behave more recklessly on those rare occasions when it did manage to seize the reins of state. [...]

]]> By: JB http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/16/the-hope-and-horror-of-liberaltarian-alignments/#comment-21455 JB Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:48:07 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=2876#comment-21455 My party? I don't even have a party, buddy.<br><br>Anything citing "their IQ scores"? I know facts are hard and all.<br><br>I went to a top 20 school and often had fairly intelligent professors, but I purposefully avoided the boatload of morons. This was at one of the "better" schools. Academia, from professors down to students, isn't all that brilliant as many people like to claim it is. My party? I don't even have a party, buddy.

Anything citing “their IQ scores”? I know facts are hard and all.

I went to a top 20 school and often had fairly intelligent professors, but I purposefully avoided the boatload of morons. This was at one of the “better” schools. Academia, from professors down to students, isn't all that brilliant as many people like to claim it is.

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