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		<title>By: SteveC</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/11/the-money-supply-more-decentralized-than-you-thought/#comment-20834</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debt is a form of money that isn&#039;t included in M0, M1, M2, or M3.  For a thorough discussion of debt-as-money, see:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/01/31/therovingcavaliersofcredit/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/01/31/t...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The money supply isn’t expanding, it’s collapsing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Few will agree with that, because M0, M1, M2 are all moving upwards. But none of these include newer debt instruments. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Debt is traded and transferred like other forms of money. Over 60 TRILLION dollars of credit default swaps (CDS) alone existed at their peak. The value of this form of money is plummetting, and this represents a rapid collapse of the effective money supply that is an order of magnitude greater in the downward direction than the upwards movement of M2 and other measures.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Federal Reserve is expanding the more traditional measures of money supply to compensate for the collapse of the total real money supply. The seemingly-reckless expansion of M2 is a result of attempting to compensate for the far-larger collapse of the real money supply.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thus, the “asset deflation” is really no different from price deflation and reflects the contraction of the money supply. Welcome to 1929, relived.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What the Federal Reserve is doing (quantitative easing) is absolutely correct, but probably still too small to achieve the needed effect.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fiscal stimulus of big federal budget deficits is also perfectly appropriate, but probably too small to achieve the needed effect.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debt is a form of money that isn&#39;t included in M0, M1, M2, or M3.  For a thorough discussion of debt-as-money, see:<br /><a href="http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/01/31/therovingcavaliersofcredit/" rel="nofollow">http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/01/31/t&#8230;</a></p>
<p>The money supply isn’t expanding, it’s collapsing.</p>
<p>Few will agree with that, because M0, M1, M2 are all moving upwards. But none of these include newer debt instruments. </p>
<p>Debt is traded and transferred like other forms of money. Over 60 TRILLION dollars of credit default swaps (CDS) alone existed at their peak. The value of this form of money is plummetting, and this represents a rapid collapse of the effective money supply that is an order of magnitude greater in the downward direction than the upwards movement of M2 and other measures.</p>
<p>The Federal Reserve is expanding the more traditional measures of money supply to compensate for the collapse of the total real money supply. The seemingly-reckless expansion of M2 is a result of attempting to compensate for the far-larger collapse of the real money supply.</p>
<p>Thus, the “asset deflation” is really no different from price deflation and reflects the contraction of the money supply. Welcome to 1929, relived.</p>
<p>What the Federal Reserve is doing (quantitative easing) is absolutely correct, but probably still too small to achieve the needed effect.</p>
<p>The fiscal stimulus of big federal budget deficits is also perfectly appropriate, but probably too small to achieve the needed effect.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: SteveC</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/11/the-money-supply-more-decentralized-than-you-thought/#comment-20833</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debt is a form of money that isn&#039;t included in M0, M1, M2, or M3.  For a thorough discussion of debt-as-money, see:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/01/31/therovingcavaliersofcredit/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/01/31/t...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The money supply isn’t expanding, it’s collapsing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Few will agree with that, because M0, M1, M2 are all moving upwards. But none of these include newer debt instruments. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Debt is traded and transferred like other forms of money. Over 60 TRILLION dollars of credit default swaps (CDS) alone existed at their peak. The value of this form of money is plummetting, and this represents a rapid collapse of the effective money supply that is an order of magnitude greater in the downward direction than the upwards movement of M2 and other measures.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Federal Reserve is expanding the more traditional measures of money supply to compensate for the collapse of the total real money supply. The seemingly-reckless expansion of M2 is a result of attempting to compensate for the far-larger collapse of the real money supply.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thus, the “asset deflation” is really no different from price deflation and reflects the contraction of the money supply. Welcome to 1929, relived.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What the Federal Reserve is doing (quantitative easing) is absolutely correct, but probably still too small to achieve the needed effect.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fiscal stimulus of big federal budget deficits is also perfectly appropriate, but probably too small to achieve the needed effect.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debt is a form of money that isn&#39;t included in M0, M1, M2, or M3.  For a thorough discussion of debt-as-money, see:<br /><a href="http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/01/31/therovingcavaliersofcredit/" rel="nofollow">http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2009/01/31/t&#8230;</a></p>
<p>The money supply isn’t expanding, it’s collapsing.</p>
<p>Few will agree with that, because M0, M1, M2 are all moving upwards. But none of these include newer debt instruments. </p>
<p>Debt is traded and transferred like other forms of money. Over 60 TRILLION dollars of credit default swaps (CDS) alone existed at their peak. The value of this form of money is plummetting, and this represents a rapid collapse of the effective money supply that is an order of magnitude greater in the downward direction than the upwards movement of M2 and other measures.</p>
<p>The Federal Reserve is expanding the more traditional measures of money supply to compensate for the collapse of the total real money supply. The seemingly-reckless expansion of M2 is a result of attempting to compensate for the far-larger collapse of the real money supply.</p>
<p>Thus, the “asset deflation” is really no different from price deflation and reflects the contraction of the money supply. Welcome to 1929, relived.</p>
<p>What the Federal Reserve is doing (quantitative easing) is absolutely correct, but probably still too small to achieve the needed effect.</p>
<p>The fiscal stimulus of big federal budget deficits is also perfectly appropriate, but probably too small to achieve the needed effect.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Enlightened Morrison</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/11/the-money-supply-more-decentralized-than-you-thought/#comment-20832</link>
		<dc:creator>Enlightened Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say this is a very good post not because of the information, but mostly for the analytical presentation. As two individual have different mindset, they must have different opinion. I think, this is the main reason behind the deviation on the thought of Friedman and DeLong. Another point I want highlight here is &quot;decentralized money supply&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say this is a very good post not because of the information, but mostly for the analytical presentation. As two individual have different mindset, they must have different opinion. I think, this is the main reason behind the deviation on the thought of Friedman and DeLong. Another point I want highlight here is &#8220;decentralized money supply&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: DYSPEPSIA GENERATION &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Money Supply: More Decentralized than You Thought</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/11/the-money-supply-more-decentralized-than-you-thought/#comment-20831</link>
		<dc:creator>DYSPEPSIA GENERATION &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Money Supply: More Decentralized than You Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: patrick stephens at psjs.net &#187; Gold standard?</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/11/the-money-supply-more-decentralized-than-you-thought/#comment-20829</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick stephens at psjs.net &#187; Gold standard?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will Wilkinson quotes Brad DeLong on Freidman&#8217;s monetarism, In economic reality, “money supply” means not just cash money but also credit entries the Federal Reserve has made in commercial banks’ accounts at the Fed; plus all the credit entries commercial banks have made in households’ and businesses’ checking accounts; plus savings account balances; plus (usually) money market mutual-fund balances; plus (sometimes) trade credit and the ceilings between credit card limits and consumers’ current balances. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Will Wilkinson quotes Brad DeLong on Freidman&#8217;s monetarism, In economic reality, “money supply” means not just cash money but also credit entries the Federal Reserve has made in commercial banks’ accounts at the Fed; plus all the credit entries commercial banks have made in households’ and businesses’ checking accounts; plus savings account balances; plus (usually) money market mutual-fund balances; plus (sometimes) trade credit and the ceilings between credit card limits and consumers’ current balances. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pithlord</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/11/the-money-supply-more-decentralized-than-you-thought/#comment-20830</link>
		<dc:creator>Pithlord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should think about DeLong&#039;s criticisms of Dan Mitchell in his blog today. I&#039;ve long thought the same -- the guy belongs in National Review along with that bozo Pilon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should think about DeLong&#39;s criticisms of Dan Mitchell in his blog today. I&#39;ve long thought the same &#8212; the guy belongs in National Review along with that bozo Pilon.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pushmedia1</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/02/11/the-money-supply-more-decentralized-than-you-thought/#comment-20827</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friedman&#039;s contribution was to show inflation stabilization was the best policy.  This means technocratic interventions, exploiting long-run trade-offs between inflation and unemployment, weren&#039;t.  The economic question is which policies bring about constant inflation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The best argument for fiscal stimulus is that traditional and untraditional monetary policy  have failed.  In my opinion, people in support of this fiscal policy too easily dismiss untraditional forms of monetary policy or assume monetary policy comes just in its traditional, &quot;normal&quot; times form.  Delong gets Friedman&#039;s views on policy wrong in just this way:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;In Friedman&#039;s view, if the task of monetary stabilization could be accomplished via technocratic manipulations by a non-political central bank, there would be no need for much of the apparatus of the post-World War II social insurance state.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This misrepresents Friedman&#039;s views in both its antecedent and its consequent.  First, Friedman didn&#039;t insist on a particular implementation of his optimal policy.  His &quot;helicopter drop&quot; is the ultimate in untraditional monetary policy (notice in its implementation, this would be considered fiscal policy).  Second, he wasn&#039;t against social insurance.  For example, he originated the idea of the negative income tax, aka EITC.  In that famous &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfdRpyfEmBE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;video&lt;/a&gt;, he said he shared the goal to help the less well off.  He just complains that usually policies aimed at doing this have the unintended consequence of hurting the people they&#039;re trying to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friedman&#39;s contribution was to show inflation stabilization was the best policy.  This means technocratic interventions, exploiting long-run trade-offs between inflation and unemployment, weren&#39;t.  The economic question is which policies bring about constant inflation.</p>
<p>The best argument for fiscal stimulus is that traditional and untraditional monetary policy  have failed.  In my opinion, people in support of this fiscal policy too easily dismiss untraditional forms of monetary policy or assume monetary policy comes just in its traditional, &#8220;normal&#8221; times form.  Delong gets Friedman&#39;s views on policy wrong in just this way:</p>
<p>&#8220;In Friedman&#39;s view, if the task of monetary stabilization could be accomplished via technocratic manipulations by a non-political central bank, there would be no need for much of the apparatus of the post-World War II social insurance state.&#8221;</p>
<p>This misrepresents Friedman&#39;s views in both its antecedent and its consequent.  First, Friedman didn&#39;t insist on a particular implementation of his optimal policy.  His &#8220;helicopter drop&#8221; is the ultimate in untraditional monetary policy (notice in its implementation, this would be considered fiscal policy).  Second, he wasn&#39;t against social insurance.  For example, he originated the idea of the negative income tax, aka EITC.  In that famous <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfdRpyfEmBE" rel="nofollow">video</a>, he said he shared the goal to help the less well off.  He just complains that usually policies aimed at doing this have the unintended consequence of hurting the people they&#39;re trying to help.</p>
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		<title>By: dWj</title>
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		<dc:creator>dWj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No human&#039;s version of anything remotely comprehensive will ever be entirely coherent.  We try to make our approximations sensible and know to which domains they best apply, and sort of paper over the cracks in between areas where we actually feel like we know what we&#039;re talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No human&#39;s version of anything remotely comprehensive will ever be entirely coherent.  We try to make our approximations sensible and know to which domains they best apply, and sort of paper over the cracks in between areas where we actually feel like we know what we&#39;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: John V</title>
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		<dc:creator>John V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. DeLong writes quite a bit on free-market economists like Friedman and Hayek. He writes with such authority about them as well. He tends to come across as if he fancies himself as an expert on these guys. However, virtually everything he&#039;s ever written screams of howlers to me. He makes statements about them and what they think that are drastically different then the positions you would think they hold by reading Hayekians, Chicago School types...and even there own work!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bizarre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. DeLong writes quite a bit on free-market economists like Friedman and Hayek. He writes with such authority about them as well. He tends to come across as if he fancies himself as an expert on these guys. However, virtually everything he&#39;s ever written screams of howlers to me. He makes statements about them and what they think that are drastically different then the positions you would think they hold by reading Hayekians, Chicago School types&#8230;and even there own work!</p>
<p>Bizarre.</p>
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