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	<description>The Sweet Release of Reason</description>
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		<title>By: Helen Atwood</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19465</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Atwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your blog is awsome</description>
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		<title>By: Elsie M Aiken</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19464</link>
		<dc:creator>Elsie M Aiken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, entertaining, useful reading, Thanks !!</description>
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		<title>By: EuropeanReader</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19463</link>
		<dc:creator>EuropeanReader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noam Chomsky is a respected computer linguist. And for good reason. His political ideas of course are less reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noam Chomsky is a respected computer linguist. And for good reason. His political ideas of course are less reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Kalafut</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19462</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Kalafut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chrissakes, can you not distinguish between categorical statements and implicit references to polling, distributions, statistics, and the like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chrissakes, can you not distinguish between categorical statements and implicit references to polling, distributions, statistics, and the like?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19461</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who the hell are &quot;the Europeans&quot;? I&#039;m British, and I think Noam Chomsky is only slightly less transparently fraudulent than Naomi Klein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who the hell are &#8220;the Europeans&#8221;? I&#39;m British, and I think Noam Chomsky is only slightly less transparently fraudulent than Naomi Klein.</p>
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		<title>By: Lemon</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19460</link>
		<dc:creator>Lemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Ignatieff was really only a public intellectual when he was living in England or the U.S. He has since returned to Canada and is now the leading candidate for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada - abandoning his intellectualism and his intellectual honesty in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Ignatieff was really only a public intellectual when he was living in England or the U.S. He has since returned to Canada and is now the leading candidate for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada &#8211; abandoning his intellectualism and his intellectual honesty in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: GilM</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19459</link>
		<dc:creator>GilM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you should read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8179&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Will&#039;s paper&lt;/a&gt; on happiness research, before you accuse him of mistakes he hasn&#039;t made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you should read <a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8179" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Will&#39;s paper</a> on happiness research, before you accuse him of mistakes he hasn&#39;t made.</p>
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		<title>By: GilM</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19458</link>
		<dc:creator>GilM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 06:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and you wasted it telling others how to beat you to it next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and you wasted it telling others how to beat you to it next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19457</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 04:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would jump at the chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would jump at the chance.</p>
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		<title>By: JA</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19456</link>
		<dc:creator>JA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I just figure out how to have my comment read second?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I just figure out how to have my comment read second?</p>
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		<title>By: grey davis</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19455</link>
		<dc:creator>grey davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mr. wilkinson, you continually rant about naomi. So debate her publically!!! I personally know she loves debating, and loves taking free-market class warriors down. stop crying! DEBATE HER!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mr. wilkinson, you continually rant about naomi. So debate her publically!!! I personally know she loves debating, and loves taking free-market class warriors down. stop crying! DEBATE HER!</p>
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		<title>By: Ideology Busters Inc</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19454</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideology Busters Inc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was Ayn Rand? In any case, every ideologue has their idol, and their idolatry. Speaking of which, at the heart of WW&#039;s &quot;thinking&quot; is this little nugget, to which Cato, Objectivists (let&#039;s call them our neo-neo-positivists) and their kin cling, and it&#039;s an unquestioned faith in empirics, to use a somewhat hoary term. Somewhere, our WW has said, &quot;... their is only one way of knowing: the empirical way&quot;. But then, that all depends on what is implied by the phrase &quot;empirical way&quot;. Deep inside the ideological cavern of WW&#039;s mind is a confusion, and a set of unquestioned axioms.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To begin with, all data require interpretation, and in any act of interpretation, one must supply (at some point) definitions of the terms forming the basis of the interpretation. Not only that; one can ask: what is the best among the potential candidates forming the basis of my interpretation of the data -- that is, one can ask, and cannot avoid asking, a question of *value*. And so we come to the next issue on which any understanding of the &quot; &#039;empirical way&#039; &quot; of knowing will turn: that fact and value cannot be separated.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With a supposedly &quot;scientific&quot; or empirical study of the question of happiness and meaning, though, we come to a kind of singularity in our analysis: the very fact in question is also itself a value (unlike, say, the structure of the cosmos or the structure and nature of biological change in a species over time, etc. -- such things are more easily value-separable).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But what would the Church of Empirics have us profess here, how are we supposed to treat the question of meaning and happiness according to the sacred way of empirical knowing? Simple: whatever people report or say is the case *is* the case -- if I say that I&#039;m happy, then I&#039;m happy. Simple. And we can supply the statistics to prove it: whenever wealth increases, so too *reports* of people&#039;s happiness (and let us grant this point to the Holy Church for the moment). What would you have us do, worries the Holy Empirical Emperor, question (!) whether or not people *really are* happy, despite their proclamations that they are?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ah ... but that&#039;s just it, isn&#039;t it? What, truly, is happiness? What people say is happiness, how they report about it on a questionnaire? (After all, says all who accept the empirical way, we&#039;ve got to some how *measure* it right, and that means that we MUST -- on pains of forbidding science to do its sacred job -- accept the only way of measuring is, which is given in material terms, third-person reports, etc. ... right?)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hmm ... now we face a dilemma: either happiness is unmeasureable or else science needs to find a way of measurement such that what people report is the case is not necessarily, by its mere reportage, actually the case.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If we want to adhere to some sort of empirical way (now I am going to stop being polemical), then it seems we need to find a measure -- or a framework of what measurement is -- that does not have built into it from the work &quot;go&quot; what we can call the &quot;human measurement problem&quot;: which is a problem of &quot;measuring&quot; (or quantifying) those facets of life considered values, constitutive of which is first person experience. Presently, there exists no adequate framework to even characterize, let alone to quantify, 1st person experience in such a way that said experiences are not treated as a kind of scientifically unassailable something or reduced to a fully extra-subjective something else.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There may very well be only &quot;one way&quot; of knowing, which is the &quot;empirical way&quot;; but, as thinkers such as Michael Polanyi and Morris Berman have pointed out (let alone scores of forward-thinking philosophers of mind and cognitive science), science has hit an impasse and we must rethink our fundamental way of theorizing, and ultimately of understanding, the world, experiences and all. There *is* something wrong with quantifying meaning and happiness; but that&#039;s because there&#039;s something wrong with the framework, not with the world.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And this, finally, brings me back to my original point: that interpretation and data, or empirics, are inseparable. At some point, you get to a stage of theoretical thinking where you face a challenge: do I fit the world into the pre-made framework, or do I change the framework to fit the world, to encompass, perhaps, a new understanding of the world that ditches old way of knowing in favor of knew ones? Indeed, we face such a challenge today; but Cato policy writes would do well to expand their knowledge base to encompass a wider range of thinkers on this very fundamental of questions, which is &quot;what is the best way of knowing the world?&quot; -- whether or not you call is empirical. Asking the former, broader question will keep the latter one in check.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And that&#039;s a kind of democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was Ayn Rand? In any case, every ideologue has their idol, and their idolatry. Speaking of which, at the heart of WW&#39;s &#8220;thinking&#8221; is this little nugget, to which Cato, Objectivists (let&#39;s call them our neo-neo-positivists) and their kin cling, and it&#39;s an unquestioned faith in empirics, to use a somewhat hoary term. Somewhere, our WW has said, &#8220;&#8230; their is only one way of knowing: the empirical way&#8221;. But then, that all depends on what is implied by the phrase &#8220;empirical way&#8221;. Deep inside the ideological cavern of WW&#39;s mind is a confusion, and a set of unquestioned axioms.</p>
<p>To begin with, all data require interpretation, and in any act of interpretation, one must supply (at some point) definitions of the terms forming the basis of the interpretation. Not only that; one can ask: what is the best among the potential candidates forming the basis of my interpretation of the data &#8212; that is, one can ask, and cannot avoid asking, a question of *value*. And so we come to the next issue on which any understanding of the &#8221; &#39;empirical way&#39; &#8221; of knowing will turn: that fact and value cannot be separated.</p>
<p>With a supposedly &#8220;scientific&#8221; or empirical study of the question of happiness and meaning, though, we come to a kind of singularity in our analysis: the very fact in question is also itself a value (unlike, say, the structure of the cosmos or the structure and nature of biological change in a species over time, etc. &#8212; such things are more easily value-separable).</p>
<p>But what would the Church of Empirics have us profess here, how are we supposed to treat the question of meaning and happiness according to the sacred way of empirical knowing? Simple: whatever people report or say is the case *is* the case &#8212; if I say that I&#39;m happy, then I&#39;m happy. Simple. And we can supply the statistics to prove it: whenever wealth increases, so too *reports* of people&#39;s happiness (and let us grant this point to the Holy Church for the moment). What would you have us do, worries the Holy Empirical Emperor, question (!) whether or not people *really are* happy, despite their proclamations that they are?</p>
<p>Ah &#8230; but that&#39;s just it, isn&#39;t it? What, truly, is happiness? What people say is happiness, how they report about it on a questionnaire? (After all, says all who accept the empirical way, we&#39;ve got to some how *measure* it right, and that means that we MUST &#8212; on pains of forbidding science to do its sacred job &#8212; accept the only way of measuring is, which is given in material terms, third-person reports, etc. &#8230; right?)</p>
<p>Hmm &#8230; now we face a dilemma: either happiness is unmeasureable or else science needs to find a way of measurement such that what people report is the case is not necessarily, by its mere reportage, actually the case.</p>
<p>If we want to adhere to some sort of empirical way (now I am going to stop being polemical), then it seems we need to find a measure &#8212; or a framework of what measurement is &#8212; that does not have built into it from the work &#8220;go&#8221; what we can call the &#8220;human measurement problem&#8221;: which is a problem of &#8220;measuring&#8221; (or quantifying) those facets of life considered values, constitutive of which is first person experience. Presently, there exists no adequate framework to even characterize, let alone to quantify, 1st person experience in such a way that said experiences are not treated as a kind of scientifically unassailable something or reduced to a fully extra-subjective something else.</p>
<p>There may very well be only &#8220;one way&#8221; of knowing, which is the &#8220;empirical way&#8221;; but, as thinkers such as Michael Polanyi and Morris Berman have pointed out (let alone scores of forward-thinking philosophers of mind and cognitive science), science has hit an impasse and we must rethink our fundamental way of theorizing, and ultimately of understanding, the world, experiences and all. There *is* something wrong with quantifying meaning and happiness; but that&#39;s because there&#39;s something wrong with the framework, not with the world.</p>
<p>And this, finally, brings me back to my original point: that interpretation and data, or empirics, are inseparable. At some point, you get to a stage of theoretical thinking where you face a challenge: do I fit the world into the pre-made framework, or do I change the framework to fit the world, to encompass, perhaps, a new understanding of the world that ditches old way of knowing in favor of knew ones? Indeed, we face such a challenge today; but Cato policy writes would do well to expand their knowledge base to encompass a wider range of thinkers on this very fundamental of questions, which is &#8220;what is the best way of knowing the world?&#8221; &#8212; whether or not you call is empirical. Asking the former, broader question will keep the latter one in check.</p>
<p>And that&#39;s a kind of democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ideology Busters Inc</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19453</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideology Busters Inc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But of course this argument doesn&#039;t work: from the fact that X itself eventually ends, it does NOT follow that the consequences of X&#039;s having been introduced thereby also end (I throw a stone into a pond, and the stone may sink far away from view, but its ripples continue to have effects!) -- which point, in the end, is exactly what Klein is trying to get us to see, but which you&#039;ve failed to appreciate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cronies ... beware of the allure of pretty prose; it covers a lack with perfume (ancient Shang Dynasty saying).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But of course this argument doesn&#39;t work: from the fact that X itself eventually ends, it does NOT follow that the consequences of X&#39;s having been introduced thereby also end (I throw a stone into a pond, and the stone may sink far away from view, but its ripples continue to have effects!) &#8212; which point, in the end, is exactly what Klein is trying to get us to see, but which you&#39;ve failed to appreciate.</p>
<p>Cronies &#8230; beware of the allure of pretty prose; it covers a lack with perfume (ancient Shang Dynasty saying).</p>
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		<title>By: knockouted</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19452</link>
		<dc:creator>knockouted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Mr. Wilkinson, I didn&#039;t know Milton Friedman was Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Mr. Wilkinson, I didn&#39;t know Milton Friedman was Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/12/03/canadas-leading-public-intellectual/#comment-19451</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;what she&#039;s against is ideologically driven theory, be it left or right.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;just had to see that again. thats all, carry on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what she&#39;s against is ideologically driven theory, be it left or right.&#8221;</p>
<p>just had to see that again. thats all, carry on.</p>
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