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	<title>Comments on: Yglesias On Detroit</title>
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	<description>The Sweet Release of Reason</description>
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		<title>By: fourby4</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/15/yglesias-on-detroit/#comment-19006</link>
		<dc:creator>fourby4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they want to save the world they should make cheap low emission cars. That will make people buy that car and not use their old cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they want to save the world they should make cheap low emission cars. That will make people buy that car and not use their old cars.</p>
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		<title>By: fourby4</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/15/yglesias-on-detroit/#comment-19005</link>
		<dc:creator>fourby4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they want to save the world they should make cheap low emission cars. That will make people buy that car and not use their old cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they want to save the world they should make cheap low emission cars. That will make people buy that car and not use their old cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Travel Guide</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/15/yglesias-on-detroit/#comment-19004</link>
		<dc:creator>Travel Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post buddy and add to my rss to hear another great story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post buddy and add to my rss to hear another great story</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Atwood</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/15/yglesias-on-detroit/#comment-19003</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Atwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 05:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your blog is awsome</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your blog is awsome</p>
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		<title>By: markayi</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/15/yglesias-on-detroit/#comment-19002</link>
		<dc:creator>markayi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think its useless to help zombie company cause they dont really care about on how to save the world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think its useless to help zombie company cause they dont really care about on how to save the world</p>
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		<title>By: Elsie M Aiken</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/15/yglesias-on-detroit/#comment-19001</link>
		<dc:creator>Elsie M Aiken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent, entertaining, useful reading, Thanks !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent, entertaining, useful reading, Thanks !!</p>
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		<title>By: Bram</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/15/yglesias-on-detroit/#comment-19000</link>
		<dc:creator>Bram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zombie companies using resources that could otherwise be put to more effective use - great points that I will use when talking with friends and colleagues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zombie companies using resources that could otherwise be put to more effective use &#8211; great points that I will use when talking with friends and colleagues.</p>
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		<title>By: Jadagul</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/15/yglesias-on-detroit/#comment-18999</link>
		<dc:creator>Jadagul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MK: I think the point is that, if we really have no idea what the net externality is, then the _expected value_ of the externality is zero.  However, since we&#039;re risk averse, we&#039;d prefer a lower variance distribution over a given mean to a higher-variance one.  So we tax carbon and reduce the variance.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not sure whether I believe the argument I&#039;ve just sketched--would need to think about it more, and homework calls.  But it&#039;s not prima facie false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MK: I think the point is that, if we really have no idea what the net externality is, then the _expected value_ of the externality is zero.  However, since we&#39;re risk averse, we&#39;d prefer a lower variance distribution over a given mean to a higher-variance one.  So we tax carbon and reduce the variance.</p>
<p>Not sure whether I believe the argument I&#39;ve just sketched&#8211;would need to think about it more, and homework calls.  But it&#39;s not prima facie false.</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/15/yglesias-on-detroit/#comment-18998</link>
		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not as totally clear as you might think. In particular, burning fuel &quot;makes the economy go round&quot; -- the ready access to cheap automobile transportation increases shopping trips, business trips to meet clients, employee access to a range of employment opportunities, etc. etc. The use of cheap coal increases business hours, reducing prices which increases consumer purchases, etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Take a different example: when a new road is proposed, all kinds of externality calculations are made. These include many positive externalities from increasing commerce. Many of the same externalities hold for cheap energy usage, but sometimes these are not included in the externality calculations because there is only a focus on environmental externalities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, if there is a consensus that adds all these externalities up and gets a negative number, that invalidates what I just said. But from what I remember of the literature there is not such a consensus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not as totally clear as you might think. In particular, burning fuel &#8220;makes the economy go round&#8221; &#8212; the ready access to cheap automobile transportation increases shopping trips, business trips to meet clients, employee access to a range of employment opportunities, etc. etc. The use of cheap coal increases business hours, reducing prices which increases consumer purchases, etc.</p>
<p>Take a different example: when a new road is proposed, all kinds of externality calculations are made. These include many positive externalities from increasing commerce. Many of the same externalities hold for cheap energy usage, but sometimes these are not included in the externality calculations because there is only a focus on environmental externalities.</p>
<p>Now, if there is a consensus that adds all these externalities up and gets a negative number, that invalidates what I just said. But from what I remember of the literature there is not such a consensus.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Zrimsek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Zrimsek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear, you do realize that our presumed inability to calculate the optimal carbon tax applies just as much to a tax rate of zero as it does to any other tax rate... correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear, you do realize that our presumed inability to calculate the optimal carbon tax applies just as much to a tax rate of zero as it does to any other tax rate&#8230; correct?</p>
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