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		<title>By: On Liberaltarianism &#187; The HPRgument</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/14/failure-for-our-future/#comment-18978</link>
		<dc:creator>On Liberaltarianism &#187; The HPRgument</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 22:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] auto bailout is a good case in point. Will loathes it. He thinks that letting the automakers fail would be an act of &#8220;creative destruction&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] auto bailout is a good case in point. Will loathes it. He thinks that letting the automakers fail would be an act of &#8220;creative destruction&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Breckenridge</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/14/failure-for-our-future/#comment-18979</link>
		<dc:creator>Breckenridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is truly shocking data. ....people who make more struggle less to pay housing costs, while people who make less struggle more.USAToday is such an insightful new agency. We are lucky to have them around...no one would have ever been able to surmise the in depth insight and analysis that they continue to give us on the daily basis.&lt;br&gt;Of course the reason for this struggling is that we live in a consumer driven society in which consumption is king. Buy more than you can afford, you can have it all, keep the masses poor through the encouragement of consumption. It all harkens back to George Oewell&#039;s &quot;Brave New World&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;summit county real estate listings for sale&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Summit County real estate listings&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is truly shocking data. &#8230;.people who make more struggle less to pay housing costs, while people who make less struggle more.USAToday is such an insightful new agency. We are lucky to have them around&#8230;no one would have ever been able to surmise the in depth insight and analysis that they continue to give us on the daily basis.<br />Of course the reason for this struggling is that we live in a consumer driven society in which consumption is king. Buy more than you can afford, you can have it all, keep the masses poor through the encouragement of consumption. It all harkens back to George Oewell&#39;s &#8220;Brave New World&#8221;.<br /><a title="summit county real estate listings for sale"  rel="nofollow">Summit County real estate listings</a></p>
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		<title>By: coloradoone</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/14/failure-for-our-future/#comment-18977</link>
		<dc:creator>coloradoone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is truly shocking data. ....people who make more struggle less to pay housing costs, while people who make less struggle more.USAToday is such an insightful new agency. We are lucky to have them around...no one would have ever been able to surmise the in depth insight and analysis that they continue to give us on the daily basis.&lt;br&gt;Of course the reason for this struggling is that we live in a consumer driven society in which consumption is king. Buy more than you can afford, you can have it all, keep the masses poor through the encouragement of consumption. It all harkens back to George Oewell&#039;s &quot;Brave New World&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;summit county real estate listings for sale&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.luckymountainhome.com/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Summit County real estate listings&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is truly shocking data. &#8230;.people who make more struggle less to pay housing costs, while people who make less struggle more.USAToday is such an insightful new agency. We are lucky to have them around&#8230;no one would have ever been able to surmise the in depth insight and analysis that they continue to give us on the daily basis.<br />Of course the reason for this struggling is that we live in a consumer driven society in which consumption is king. Buy more than you can afford, you can have it all, keep the masses poor through the encouragement of consumption. It all harkens back to George Oewell&#39;s &#8220;Brave New World&#8221;.<br /><a title="summit county real estate listings for sale" rel="dofollow" href="http://www.luckymountainhome.com/" target="_blank" rel="dofollow"  rel="nofollow">Summit County real estate listings</a></p>
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		<title>By: chrysler parts</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/14/failure-for-our-future/#comment-18976</link>
		<dc:creator>chrysler parts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 03:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That bail out just when to last year dept for sure. Auto industry sales last year are negative. When the government gave a bailout its good for nothing. I feel bad for the people that are making the cars that have been layoff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That bail out just when to last year dept for sure. Auto industry sales last year are negative. When the government gave a bailout its good for nothing. I feel bad for the people that are making the cars that have been layoff.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Wilmington thoughts &#171; The Droning Inquisition</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/14/failure-for-our-future/#comment-18975</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Wilmington thoughts &#171; The Droning Inquisition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 06:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Even so, it&#8217;s better than listening to Will Wilkinson, a libertarian political pundit, go on about economic turmoil is a good thing and that people just have to appreciate the true, inerrant wisdom [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Even so, it&#8217;s better than listening to Will Wilkinson, a libertarian political pundit, go on about economic turmoil is a good thing and that people just have to appreciate the true, inerrant wisdom [...]</p>
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		<title>By: patrick stephens at psjs.net &#187; Detroit</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/14/failure-for-our-future/#comment-18974</link>
		<dc:creator>patrick stephens at psjs.net &#187; Detroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will Wilkinson has a really excellent post up on the Detroit bailout. There is nothing that helps people more than high rates of economic growth, compounding, compounding. But everyone is not helped equally. Economic growth requires dynamism, requires “creative destruction,” and some people get trapped in the wreckage, become wreckage. Not everyone is hurt equally. That irks. We should do what we can to limit downside risk consistent with the goal of producing broad prosperity. And we should feel a pang for those whose expectations are disappointed, whose lives turn out harder than they’d hoped. But the impulse to freeze the system, to try to tape all the cracks and staple all the cleavages, to ensure that nobody has to explain to their kid why Christmas this year is going to be a lousy Christmas, that is one of our greatest dangers. Our sympathy, untutored by a grasp of the larger scheme, can perversely make itself ever more necessary. When we feel compelled to act on our uncoached fellow-feeling, next year’s Christmas is likely to turn a bit worse for everybody. And then somebody has to explain to the kids that they can’t find a job at all. Businesses that would get started don’t get started, wealth that would be created isn’t. And in just a few decades, the prevailing standard of living is much, much lower than it could have been had our sympathy been more far-seeing. There is no justice, and great harm, in diminishing the whole array of future opportunity to save a few people now from a regrettable fate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Will Wilkinson has a really excellent post up on the Detroit bailout. There is nothing that helps people more than high rates of economic growth, compounding, compounding. But everyone is not helped equally. Economic growth requires dynamism, requires “creative destruction,” and some people get trapped in the wreckage, become wreckage. Not everyone is hurt equally. That irks. We should do what we can to limit downside risk consistent with the goal of producing broad prosperity. And we should feel a pang for those whose expectations are disappointed, whose lives turn out harder than they’d hoped. But the impulse to freeze the system, to try to tape all the cracks and staple all the cleavages, to ensure that nobody has to explain to their kid why Christmas this year is going to be a lousy Christmas, that is one of our greatest dangers. Our sympathy, untutored by a grasp of the larger scheme, can perversely make itself ever more necessary. When we feel compelled to act on our uncoached fellow-feeling, next year’s Christmas is likely to turn a bit worse for everybody. And then somebody has to explain to the kids that they can’t find a job at all. Businesses that would get started don’t get started, wealth that would be created isn’t. And in just a few decades, the prevailing standard of living is much, much lower than it could have been had our sympathy been more far-seeing. There is no justice, and great harm, in diminishing the whole array of future opportunity to save a few people now from a regrettable fate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Philk</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/14/failure-for-our-future/#comment-18973</link>
		<dc:creator>Philk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one comment by Stu that we make computers in the U.S .&lt;br&gt;Most PC&#039;s are probably made in China.&lt;br&gt;I was working on DEC servers 10 years ago and I&#039;m almost certain&lt;br&gt;they had a sticker that said &quot;Assembled in China&quot; on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one comment by Stu that we make computers in the U.S .<br />Most PC&#39;s are probably made in China.<br />I was working on DEC servers 10 years ago and I&#39;m almost certain<br />they had a sticker that said &#8220;Assembled in China&#8221; on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Philk</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/11/14/failure-for-our-future/#comment-18972</link>
		<dc:creator>Philk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the U.S is turned into a third world multicultural country it will be less able to compete with the asians and europeans. &lt;br&gt;Educational standards have declined in the U.S since immigration policies changed&lt;br&gt;in 1965 to favor third world countries. &lt;br&gt;Since then the U.S has gone from ranking about 2 to ranking about 23.&lt;br&gt;The U.S originally limited immigration only from northern europe.&lt;br&gt;Those are the people who created all the inventions and industries that made the U.S what it was before it started it&#039;s decline in 1965.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the U.S is turned into a third world multicultural country it will be less able to compete with the asians and europeans. <br />Educational standards have declined in the U.S since immigration policies changed<br />in 1965 to favor third world countries. <br />Since then the U.S has gone from ranking about 2 to ranking about 23.<br />The U.S originally limited immigration only from northern europe.<br />Those are the people who created all the inventions and industries that made the U.S what it was before it started it&#39;s decline in 1965.</p>
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		<title>By: webgrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>webgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, in the USA we have had several large employee-owned companies that are/were relatively successful.&lt;a href=&quot;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE2DB1E39F937A25754C0A960958260&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Avis&lt;/a&gt; was probably the best known. So yes, it&#039;s legal, and yes this has been done before here and even in a related sector involving cars. Please take that rope section and yank sideways . . .1. . .2. . .3!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, in the USA we have had several large employee-owned companies that are/were relatively successful.<a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE2DB1E39F937A25754C0A960958260" rel="nofollow"> Avis</a> was probably the best known. So yes, it&#39;s legal, and yes this has been done before here and even in a related sector involving cars. Please take that rope section and yank sideways . . .1. . .2. . .3!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m ready to close this argument too, but do you really end up giving GM -- and Ford too? -- to the UAW? Are these reasonable suggestions? Is it legally, constitutionally possible? Do you nationalize these industries first and then gift-wrap them for the UAW?  Does the UAW want GM? And for the Germans, didn&#039;t they just spend a lot of money to get away from Chrysler? I know very little about the UAW but I do know about Italian unions, and actually they would not be at all against becoming entrepreneurs (not a good word, I know, but I don&#039;t know exactly how to define the concept), but only in a fixed system. In other words, with special concessions, tax breaks, monopolies or access to public funding that would make their activity unassailable. I suspect the UAW, if we are talking about anything remotely realistic, would take GM under the same conditions -- namely, no more free market, no competition just guarantees, privileges and political control. So welcome to Italy. We tried to sell our airline, Alitalia, to the French, but with the help of the unions that deal fell through. Now we are trying to pay Italian banks/industrialists to take it over and it&#039;s still not clear if even that&#039;s going to work. Many years ago we could have sold Alfa Romeo to Ford, but, true to form, we ended up paying Fiat to take it. The result: the erosion of our manufacturing base (no other car manufacturer has ever opened a factory in Italy and Fiat itself has all but moved out) and a public debt, a good part of it created by the 1 million € loss per day of Alitalia, that has spiralled beyond all control.  Be careful what you wish for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m ready to close this argument too, but do you really end up giving GM &#8212; and Ford too? &#8212; to the UAW? Are these reasonable suggestions? Is it legally, constitutionally possible? Do you nationalize these industries first and then gift-wrap them for the UAW?  Does the UAW want GM? And for the Germans, didn&#39;t they just spend a lot of money to get away from Chrysler? I know very little about the UAW but I do know about Italian unions, and actually they would not be at all against becoming entrepreneurs (not a good word, I know, but I don&#39;t know exactly how to define the concept), but only in a fixed system. In other words, with special concessions, tax breaks, monopolies or access to public funding that would make their activity unassailable. I suspect the UAW, if we are talking about anything remotely realistic, would take GM under the same conditions &#8212; namely, no more free market, no competition just guarantees, privileges and political control. So welcome to Italy. We tried to sell our airline, Alitalia, to the French, but with the help of the unions that deal fell through. Now we are trying to pay Italian banks/industrialists to take it over and it&#39;s still not clear if even that&#39;s going to work. Many years ago we could have sold Alfa Romeo to Ford, but, true to form, we ended up paying Fiat to take it. The result: the erosion of our manufacturing base (no other car manufacturer has ever opened a factory in Italy and Fiat itself has all but moved out) and a public debt, a good part of it created by the 1 million € loss per day of Alitalia, that has spiralled beyond all control.  Be careful what you wish for.</p>
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