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		<title>By: NicoleTedesco</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/10/21/the-principles-of-weisbergian-political-economy/#comment-18202</link>
		<dc:creator>NicoleTedesco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, very well said!  (I love the Theodoric of York example.  I haven&#039;t thought of that character in years!  It makes the point well.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, very well said!  (I love the Theodoric of York example.  I haven&#39;t thought of that character in years!  It makes the point well.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Drake</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/10/21/the-principles-of-weisbergian-political-economy/#comment-18201</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nicole, one other thing I had in mind was that medical intervention has an extensive history of, well, f***ing up on the way to discovering what kinds of interventions actually work. (This is somewhat related to the point about improving technologies.) The success rate of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoric_of_York&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Theodoric of York&lt;/a&gt; might have led some to posit an a priori principle that nonintervention is always better; but now we know that would have been a mistake, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in the stomach. In sum, the appropriate induction to draw from the history of science and technology seems to be that cautious experimentation is a better bet than principled nonintervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nicole, one other thing I had in mind was that medical intervention has an extensive history of, well, f***ing up on the way to discovering what kinds of interventions actually work. (This is somewhat related to the point about improving technologies.) The success rate of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoric_of_York" rel="nofollow">Theodoric of York</a> might have led some to posit an a priori principle that nonintervention is always better; but now we know that would have been a mistake, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in the stomach. In sum, the appropriate induction to draw from the history of science and technology seems to be that cautious experimentation is a better bet than principled nonintervention.</p>
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		<title>By: NicoleTedesco</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/10/21/the-principles-of-weisbergian-political-economy/#comment-18200</link>
		<dc:creator>NicoleTedesco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, very well said!  (I love the Theodoric of York example.  I haven&#039;t thought of that character is years!  It makes the point well.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, very well said!  (I love the Theodoric of York example.  I haven&#39;t thought of that character is years!  It makes the point well.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Drake</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/10/21/the-principles-of-weisbergian-political-economy/#comment-18199</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nicole, one other thing I had in mind was that medical intervention has an extensive history of, well, f***ing up on the way to discovering what kinds of interventions actually work. (This is somewhat related to the point about improving technologies.) The success rate of &lt;a href=&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoric_of_York%22%3ETheodoric&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoric_of_York&quot;...&lt;/a&gt; of York&lt;/a&gt; might have led some to posit an a priori principle that nonintervention is always better, but now we know that would have been a mistake, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in the stomach. In sum, the appropriate induction to draw from the history of science and technology seems to be that cautious experimentation is a better bet than principled nonintervention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nicole, one other thing I had in mind was that medical intervention has an extensive history of, well, f***ing up on the way to discovering what kinds of interventions actually work. (This is somewhat related to the point about improving technologies.) The success rate of &lt;a href=<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoric_of_York%22%3ETheodoric" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoric_of_York" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoric_of_York</a>&#8220;&#8230; of York might have led some to posit an a priori principle that nonintervention is always better, but now we know that would have been a mistake, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in the stomach. In sum, the appropriate induction to draw from the history of science and technology seems to be that cautious experimentation is a better bet than principled nonintervention.</p>
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		<title>By: NicoleTedesco</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/10/21/the-principles-of-weisbergian-political-economy/#comment-18198</link>
		<dc:creator>NicoleTedesco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pretty-near centralized planning of the United States&#039; economy during WWII was successful for the time, but fell apart by the Ford era (mid-1970s).  Nixonian price and wage controls were not effective.  Ford&#039;s &quot;WIN&quot; campaign was a joke.  It could be that non-capitalist systems can be effective under some circumstances, for some periods of time, with some cultures, under certain scales.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Part of me as a suspicion that certain forms of increased regulation to our free market economy may be effective (such as transparency regulations, otherwise known as &quot;measurement&quot;) if their associated costs can be minimized (e.g., through improved information technology infrastructure).  I also suspect however that even this can have a limit as we eliminate the measurement problems we may find ourselves face-to-face with the uncertainties of genetically constrained human psychology.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps the next advance will have to await wide spread genetic reprogramming of the human species.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pretty-near centralized planning of the United States&#39; economy during WWII was successful for the time, but fell apart by the Ford era (mid-1970s).  Nixonian price and wage controls were not effective.  Ford&#39;s &#8220;WIN&#8221; campaign was a joke.  It could be that non-capitalist systems can be effective under some circumstances, for some periods of time, with some cultures, under certain scales.</p>
<p>Part of me as a suspicion that certain forms of increased regulation to our free market economy may be effective (such as transparency regulations, otherwise known as &#8220;measurement&#8221;) if their associated costs can be minimized (e.g., through improved information technology infrastructure).  I also suspect however that even this can have a limit as we eliminate the measurement problems we may find ourselves face-to-face with the uncertainties of genetically constrained human psychology.</p>
<p>Perhaps the next advance will have to await wide spread genetic reprogramming of the human species.</p>
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		<title>By: NicoleTedesco</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/10/21/the-principles-of-weisbergian-political-economy/#comment-18197</link>
		<dc:creator>NicoleTedesco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I find I am partial to your &quot;Canesians&quot; versus &quot;Canitarians&quot; argument perhaps because I have been partial lately to using medical analogies when describing the current financial crisis to people.  It is fashionable at this time for people to attempt to discredit free market economics because something more &quot;rational&quot; would not have let the current crisis happen.  My response is that planning so far has been quite rational and scientific if you consider the time dependency of our macoeconomic models: Like Black and Scholes, the model is good most of the time--except for those relatively rare, pesky up-or-down spikes of activity.  I liken this to the fact that our own bodies work pretty darned well a vast majority of the time except for those pesky heart attacks or strokes that would kill you.  What to do about those heart attacks or strokes?  We can take measures to prevent them.  If those measures are of uncertain efficacy, such as the consumption of red wine, if the cost is low &quot;it doesn&#039;t hurt to try.&quot;  If the preventative measures are of high certainty, such as regular exercise, then we try our best to implement them regardless of the cost (this doesn&#039;t account for the cessation of cigarette smoking however).  We can also try to measure our physiology for signs of an impending heart attack or stroke so that we can either take evasive measures or prepare ourselves for prompt corrective action should the event occur.  We can also work on effective methods for damage control after the event.  As far as preventive measures such as the difficulties of cessation of cigarette smoking are concerned, this can serve as an analogy for the effects of politics in our economic system.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Being someone with a physics and engineering background, I very well appreciate the constructive role non-linear dynamics can have in complex systems.  Like with the human body, I like the idea that the body should be left to itself and it will function well most of the time.  However, as technology improves we humans have found it useful to measure, intervene or downright replace parts of broken anatomies with something artificial--our solutions tend not to be perfect, and can leave us wanting for the original body once again.  That equation however changes as technology improves.  What will happen when artificial eyes are developed that are demonstrably better than what nature has ever provided, and impose a relatively low cost of adoption and maintenance?  What about better, stronger and faster limbs?  I remember as a child thinking, &quot;Yeah, it would be cool to be Jamie Sommers--the Bionic Woman!&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As information technologies improve and the cost of their adoption and maintenance decreases, I am all for inserting certain types of artificiality into our economic system such as improved measuring systems (were the cost of Sarbanes-Oxley lower!), damage control systems and prevention systems if the efficacy/cost equation be optimized.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, who is for complete non-intervention of your personal health?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I find I am partial to your &#8220;Canesians&#8221; versus &#8220;Canitarians&#8221; argument perhaps because I have been partial lately to using medical analogies when describing the current financial crisis to people.  It is fashionable at this time for people to attempt to discredit free market economics because something more &#8220;rational&#8221; would not have let the current crisis happen.  My response is that planning so far has been quite rational and scientific if you consider the time dependency of our macoeconomic models: Like Black and Scholes, the model is good most of the time&#8211;except for those relatively rare, pesky up-or-down spikes of activity.  I liken this to the fact that our own bodies work pretty darned well a vast majority of the time except for those pesky heart attacks or strokes that would kill you.  What to do about those heart attacks or strokes?  We can take measures to prevent them.  If those measures are of uncertain efficacy, such as the consumption of red wine, if the cost is low &#8220;it doesn&#39;t hurt to try.&#8221;  If the preventative measures are of high certainty, such as regular exercise, then we try our best to implement them regardless of the cost (this doesn&#39;t account for the cessation of cigarette smoking however).  We can also try to measure our physiology for signs of an impending heart attack or stroke so that we can either take evasive measures or prepare ourselves for prompt corrective action should the event occur.  We can also work on effective methods for damage control after the event.  As far as preventive measures such as the difficulties of cessation of cigarette smoking are concerned, this can serve as an analogy for the effects of politics in our economic system.</p>
<p>Being someone with a physics and engineering background, I very well appreciate the constructive role non-linear dynamics can have in complex systems.  Like with the human body, I like the idea that the body should be left to itself and it will function well most of the time.  However, as technology improves we humans have found it useful to measure, intervene or downright replace parts of broken anatomies with something artificial&#8211;our solutions tend not to be perfect, and can leave us wanting for the original body once again.  That equation however changes as technology improves.  What will happen when artificial eyes are developed that are demonstrably better than what nature has ever provided, and impose a relatively low cost of adoption and maintenance?  What about better, stronger and faster limbs?  I remember as a child thinking, &#8220;Yeah, it would be cool to be Jamie Sommers&#8211;the Bionic Woman!&#8221;</p>
<p>As information technologies improve and the cost of their adoption and maintenance decreases, I am all for inserting certain types of artificiality into our economic system such as improved measuring systems (were the cost of Sarbanes-Oxley lower!), damage control systems and prevention systems if the efficacy/cost equation be optimized.</p>
<p>So, who is for complete non-intervention of your personal health?</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I bounced here off Hit &#039;n Run. It impresses me that the Weisberg column has inspired a small flood of excellent libertarian short-form essays, yours included.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would be of value to have columns like Weisberg&#039;s come out on a regular basis, to hone the cadres&#039; skills and build the literature. It would be worth paying for this. Lucky for us, there are no shortage of volunteers providing targets.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And, your rabid dog analogy was golden!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Keep up the good fight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>I bounced here off Hit &#39;n Run. It impresses me that the Weisberg column has inspired a small flood of excellent libertarian short-form essays, yours included.</p>
<p>It would be of value to have columns like Weisberg&#39;s come out on a regular basis, to hone the cadres&#39; skills and build the literature. It would be worth paying for this. Lucky for us, there are no shortage of volunteers providing targets.</p>
<p>And, your rabid dog analogy was golden!</p>
<p>Keep up the good fight!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/10/21/the-principles-of-weisbergian-political-economy/#comment-18195</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 04:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what can be determined from this is that in a regulatory environment, a certain balance is required. If tilted too much one way, the business environment can be stifling, tilted too much the other way, the business environment can get too &quot;exuberant&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This does not address the desirability of a regulatory environment except in the sense that the knowledge to create proper balance can be lacking, giving rise to the constant need for further &quot;adjustment&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A politically/centrally regulated economy is not stable. The feedback loop has to much delay and distortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what can be determined from this is that in a regulatory environment, a certain balance is required. If tilted too much one way, the business environment can be stifling, tilted too much the other way, the business environment can get too &#8220;exuberant&#8221;.</p>
<p>This does not address the desirability of a regulatory environment except in the sense that the knowledge to create proper balance can be lacking, giving rise to the constant need for further &#8220;adjustment&#8221;.</p>
<p>A politically/centrally regulated economy is not stable. The feedback loop has to much delay and distortion.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Grove</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/10/21/the-principles-of-weisbergian-political-economy/#comment-18194</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Grove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We might consider that failure to regulate these &#039;securities&#039; was willful and part of a bargain to &#039;encourage&#039; lenders to make &#039;sub-prime&#039; (read &quot;bad&quot;) loans.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is known that regulatory reform of the mortgage GSEs was proposed and opposed and defeated. Was Barney Frank just ignorant of the potential problems?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or was he part of the bargain made to allow lenders to find a way to make money off of bad loans to fulfill policy goals?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fact of the crisis occurring in a regime of extensive regulation tells us that having a regulatory system is no guarantee of effectiveness and further, can manage to coordinate problems into a crisis of GSE proportions. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Proponents of regulated economies like to cite some ideal state where the regulatory regime works in harmony with the market producing optimal results, even after failure after failure. Recall that a large justification for the creation of the FED was to prevent big depressions. The FED was established in 1913, sixteen years before the market crash of 1929.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It seems obvious in citing the mistakes of the FED board and other interventions of government at the time that they did not know what they were doing and thus did not comprehend the nature of markets. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Seventy-nine years later, they still don&#039;t.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They&#039;re all Keynesians now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We might consider that failure to regulate these &#39;securities&#39; was willful and part of a bargain to &#39;encourage&#39; lenders to make &#39;sub-prime&#39; (read &#8220;bad&#8221;) loans.</p>
<p>It is known that regulatory reform of the mortgage GSEs was proposed and opposed and defeated. Was Barney Frank just ignorant of the potential problems?</p>
<p>Or was he part of the bargain made to allow lenders to find a way to make money off of bad loans to fulfill policy goals?</p>
<p>The fact of the crisis occurring in a regime of extensive regulation tells us that having a regulatory system is no guarantee of effectiveness and further, can manage to coordinate problems into a crisis of GSE proportions. </p>
<p>Proponents of regulated economies like to cite some ideal state where the regulatory regime works in harmony with the market producing optimal results, even after failure after failure. Recall that a large justification for the creation of the FED was to prevent big depressions. The FED was established in 1913, sixteen years before the market crash of 1929.</p>
<p>It seems obvious in citing the mistakes of the FED board and other interventions of government at the time that they did not know what they were doing and thus did not comprehend the nature of markets. </p>
<p>Seventy-nine years later, they still don&#39;t.</p>
<p>They&#39;re all Keynesians now.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point here, like Will said, is that the fuel behind this fire was the mortage practices encouraged by the government. However, I think it could also be argued that though this was the problem this time, it needn&#039;t have been since there probably should have been more regulation in certain areas of the financial market. That is what Will was trying to say I think. If libertarians learned anything, it is that maybe there should have been more regulation in this case. Libertarians are not anarchists, and to say that something caused by the free market dooms libertarianism is ridiculous. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The moral hazard now comes into play when the government bails out these institutions. Even having a concept of &quot;too big to fail&quot; is a moral hazard, as that encourages this type of behavior with the thought always in the back of their minds that if it goes south, they will get bailed out anyway. In a real libertarian world, people would be held accountable for their risks, and therefore people would be more cautious when taking risks, or not take them at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point here, like Will said, is that the fuel behind this fire was the mortage practices encouraged by the government. However, I think it could also be argued that though this was the problem this time, it needn&#39;t have been since there probably should have been more regulation in certain areas of the financial market. That is what Will was trying to say I think. If libertarians learned anything, it is that maybe there should have been more regulation in this case. Libertarians are not anarchists, and to say that something caused by the free market dooms libertarianism is ridiculous. </p>
<p>The moral hazard now comes into play when the government bails out these institutions. Even having a concept of &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; is a moral hazard, as that encourages this type of behavior with the thought always in the back of their minds that if it goes south, they will get bailed out anyway. In a real libertarian world, people would be held accountable for their risks, and therefore people would be more cautious when taking risks, or not take them at all.</p>
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