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		<title>By: Is wrangling nonfunctional for third-world merchants? &#124; Travel, trip, jaunt</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/13/haggling/#comment-14615</link>
		<dc:creator>Is wrangling nonfunctional for third-world merchants? &#124; Travel, trip, jaunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 08:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] faculty Sir geoffrey wilkinson seems to think so. Inwards a recent post over at his diary, Faculty explains that on his past botch to Bust, chemical element was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Is wrangling defective for third-world merchants? &#124; Travel, trip, jaunt</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/13/haggling/#comment-14614</link>
		<dc:creator>Is wrangling defective for third-world merchants? &#124; Travel, trip, jaunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 07:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] faculty Chemist seems to think so. Inwards a recent post over at his journal, Mental faculty explains that on his past fuckup to Bomb, element was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: improbable</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/13/haggling/#comment-14613</link>
		<dc:creator>improbable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you&#039;re saying, if I understand right, is that there&#039;s a cost from drain on your energy, and time, which is added to the monetary cost of these items. It would be better for Turkey to have you spend more dollars and less worry.

I think the same is true of some parts of american life, which in general is pretty weak on consumer protections. For instance there&#039;s a huge overhead of people scrutinising the fine print of their cellphone contracts for all the extra charges, or more likely, avoiding this by guestimating these on past experience, which is a similar waste. You shouldn&#039;t have to be an expert in all that, they should just print one big price and be done. Ditto restaurants and taxis and sales tax.

To use everyone&#039;s favourite example on the net, what&#039;s making Apple rich is (partly) offering fewer choices, and splitting the cost of your mental overhead in figuring out which Dell to buy with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you&#8217;re saying, if I understand right, is that there&#8217;s a cost from drain on your energy, and time, which is added to the monetary cost of these items. It would be better for Turkey to have you spend more dollars and less worry.</p>
<p>I think the same is true of some parts of american life, which in general is pretty weak on consumer protections. For instance there&#8217;s a huge overhead of people scrutinising the fine print of their cellphone contracts for all the extra charges, or more likely, avoiding this by guestimating these on past experience, which is a similar waste. You shouldn&#8217;t have to be an expert in all that, they should just print one big price and be done. Ditto restaurants and taxis and sales tax.</p>
<p>To use everyone&#8217;s favourite example on the net, what&#8217;s making Apple rich is (partly) offering fewer choices, and splitting the cost of your mental overhead in figuring out which Dell to buy with you.</p>
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		<title>By: improbable</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/13/haggling/#comment-14616</link>
		<dc:creator>improbable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you&#039;re saying, if I understand right, is that there&#039;s a cost from drain on your energy, and time, which is added to the monetary cost of these items. It would be better for Turkey to have you spend more dollars and less worry.

I think the same is true of some parts of american life, which in general is pretty weak on consumer protections. For instance there&#039;s a huge overhead of people scrutinising the fine print of their cellphone contracts for all the extra charges, or more likely, avoiding this by guestimating these on past experience, which is a similar waste. You shouldn&#039;t have to be an expert in all that, they should just print one big price and be done. Ditto restaurants and taxis and sales tax.

To use everyone&#039;s favourite example on the net, what&#039;s making Apple rich is (partly) offering fewer choices, and splitting the cost of your mental overhead in figuring out which Dell to buy with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you&#8217;re saying, if I understand right, is that there&#8217;s a cost from drain on your energy, and time, which is added to the monetary cost of these items. It would be better for Turkey to have you spend more dollars and less worry.</p>
<p>I think the same is true of some parts of american life, which in general is pretty weak on consumer protections. For instance there&#8217;s a huge overhead of people scrutinising the fine print of their cellphone contracts for all the extra charges, or more likely, avoiding this by guestimating these on past experience, which is a similar waste. You shouldn&#8217;t have to be an expert in all that, they should just print one big price and be done. Ditto restaurants and taxis and sales tax.</p>
<p>To use everyone&#8217;s favourite example on the net, what&#8217;s making Apple rich is (partly) offering fewer choices, and splitting the cost of your mental overhead in figuring out which Dell to buy with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde Mays, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/13/haggling/#comment-14612</link>
		<dc:creator>Clyde Mays, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 12:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the Grease Trucks at Rutgers.</description>
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		<title>By: Clyde Mays, Jr.</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/13/haggling/#comment-14623</link>
		<dc:creator>Clyde Mays, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 12:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the Grease Trucks at Rutgers.</description>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/13/haggling/#comment-14611</link>
		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t understand Will&#039;s point of view.  If the problem had been one of not knowing quality or not knowing what his reservation price was, I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s relevant to whether or not there was a fixed price?

Imagine that the silver bracelet were sold at a fixed price.  How would that help you decide if it were fake or not?  Why is charging a fixed $10 for a fake silver item different from asking $20 for the same fake and giving you the option of bargaining down to $10 or $5?

And assume that you buy the bracelet for $10 and you find out that it&#039;s sold elsewhere in Turkey for $5 but sold in the US for $20.  Aren&#039;t you better off having paid $10 for it than not buying at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t understand Will&#8217;s point of view.  If the problem had been one of not knowing quality or not knowing what his reservation price was, I don&#8217;t see how that&#8217;s relevant to whether or not there was a fixed price?</p>
<p>Imagine that the silver bracelet were sold at a fixed price.  How would that help you decide if it were fake or not?  Why is charging a fixed $10 for a fake silver item different from asking $20 for the same fake and giving you the option of bargaining down to $10 or $5?</p>
<p>And assume that you buy the bracelet for $10 and you find out that it&#8217;s sold elsewhere in Turkey for $5 but sold in the US for $20.  Aren&#8217;t you better off having paid $10 for it than not buying at all?</p>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/13/haggling/#comment-14618</link>
		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t understand Will&#039;s point of view.  If the problem had been one of not knowing quality or not knowing what his reservation price was, I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s relevant to whether or not there was a fixed price?

Imagine that the silver bracelet were sold at a fixed price.  How would that help you decide if it were fake or not?  Why is charging a fixed $10 for a fake silver item different from asking $20 for the same fake and giving you the option of bargaining down to $10 or $5?

And assume that you buy the bracelet for $10 and you find out that it&#039;s sold elsewhere in Turkey for $5 but sold in the US for $20.  Aren&#039;t you better off having paid $10 for it than not buying at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t understand Will&#8217;s point of view.  If the problem had been one of not knowing quality or not knowing what his reservation price was, I don&#8217;t see how that&#8217;s relevant to whether or not there was a fixed price?</p>
<p>Imagine that the silver bracelet were sold at a fixed price.  How would that help you decide if it were fake or not?  Why is charging a fixed $10 for a fake silver item different from asking $20 for the same fake and giving you the option of bargaining down to $10 or $5?</p>
<p>And assume that you buy the bracelet for $10 and you find out that it&#8217;s sold elsewhere in Turkey for $5 but sold in the US for $20.  Aren&#8217;t you better off having paid $10 for it than not buying at all?</p>
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		<title>By: Outside The Beltway &#124; OTB</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/13/haggling/#comment-14610</link>
		<dc:creator>Outside The Beltway &#124; OTB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 12:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Haggling over Haggling...&lt;/strong&gt;

Will Wilkinson reports that he didn&#8217;t buy as many things as he would have liked on a recent trip to Turkey because the cultural proclivity to haggling left him cold. He suspects this experience is generalizable:
[P]robably hundreds of my dollars ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Haggling over Haggling&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Will Wilkinson reports that he didn&#8217;t buy as many things as he would have liked on a recent trip to Turkey because the cultural proclivity to haggling left him cold. He suspects this experience is generalizable:<br />
[P]robably hundreds of my dollars &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: travis</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/05/13/haggling/#comment-14609</link>
		<dc:creator>travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 03:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to your comment, it seems that your problem is not with haggling but with the lack of trust in the qualities of the object.  Having prices posted about the bracelet wouldn&#039;t have helped you, right?

In addition to the trust issue, I also hate the haggling part per se.  I simply feel it isn&#039;t fair and my enjoyment is diminished if I pay a price that is higher than other people pay.  I may still have a consumer surplus, but I also have a big sign on my back that says, &quot;Sucker.&quot;  Some (such as McArdle) might call that irrational, but when you are a walking wallet in a poor country, that &quot;sucker&quot; sign stops you from buying their trinkets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to your comment, it seems that your problem is not with haggling but with the lack of trust in the qualities of the object.  Having prices posted about the bracelet wouldn&#8217;t have helped you, right?</p>
<p>In addition to the trust issue, I also hate the haggling part per se.  I simply feel it isn&#8217;t fair and my enjoyment is diminished if I pay a price that is higher than other people pay.  I may still have a consumer surplus, but I also have a big sign on my back that says, &#8220;Sucker.&#8221;  Some (such as McArdle) might call that irrational, but when you are a walking wallet in a poor country, that &#8220;sucker&#8221; sign stops you from buying their trinkets.</p>
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