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	<description>The Sweet Release of Reason</description>
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		<title>By: Artificial</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/04/25/accounting-for-children/#comment-14185</link>
		<dc:creator>Artificial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rational calculation, the population curve for humanity would still be arithmetic instead of geometric after 1,000 CE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rational calculation, the population curve for humanity would still be arithmetic instead of geometric after 1,000 CE</p>
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		<title>By: ratio analysis</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/04/25/accounting-for-children/#comment-14184</link>
		<dc:creator>ratio analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rational calculation, the population curve for humanity would still be arithmetic instead of geometric after 1,000 CE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rational calculation, the population curve for humanity would still be arithmetic instead of geometric after 1,000 CE</p>
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		<title>By: Selleys</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/04/25/accounting-for-children/#comment-14183</link>
		<dc:creator>Selleys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 07:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Improving the lives of children and youth, particularly in challenging social and economic times, requires that local providers have sound financial structures and maintain good fiscal health. Currently very little is known about the financial well-being of child and youth nonprofits in the D.C. metro area.&lt;br&gt;-------------------------------&lt;br&gt;Selleys&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;www.drivenwide.com&quot; rel=&quot;Do Follow&quot; rel=&quot;No Follow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;social network advertising&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Improving the lives of children and youth, particularly in challenging social and economic times, requires that local providers have sound financial structures and maintain good fiscal health. Currently very little is known about the financial well-being of child and youth nonprofits in the D.C. metro area.<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />Selleys</p>
<p><a href="www.drivenwide.com" rel="Do Follow" rel="No Follow" rel="nofollow">social network advertising</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike D</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/04/25/accounting-for-children/#comment-14182</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.

Agreed that having kids is more about meaning than happiness.  I myself said this to a coworker who was ambivalent about fathering children due to the loss of free time and romance with his wife:

&quot;You&#039;ll have less fun and happiness, but you&#039;ll have more joy and meaning.&quot;

Potentially, there&#039;s a point parallel to those utilitarians who want to maximize total utility instead of average utility.

If meaning is asserted/manufactured by humans, more humans might result in a greater production of meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.</p>
<p>Agreed that having kids is more about meaning than happiness.  I myself said this to a coworker who was ambivalent about fathering children due to the loss of free time and romance with his wife:</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;ll have less fun and happiness, but you&#8217;ll have more joy and meaning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Potentially, there&#8217;s a point parallel to those utilitarians who want to maximize total utility instead of average utility.</p>
<p>If meaning is asserted/manufactured by humans, more humans might result in a greater production of meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/04/25/accounting-for-children/#comment-14190</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.

Agreed that having kids is more about meaning than happiness.  I myself said this to a coworker who was ambivalent about fathering children due to the loss of free time and romance with his wife:

&quot;You&#039;ll have less fun and happiness, but you&#039;ll have more joy and meaning.&quot;

Potentially, there&#039;s a point parallel to those utilitarians who want to maximize total utility instead of average utility.

If meaning is asserted/manufactured by humans, more humans might result in a greater production of meaning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.</p>
<p>Agreed that having kids is more about meaning than happiness.  I myself said this to a coworker who was ambivalent about fathering children due to the loss of free time and romance with his wife:</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;ll have less fun and happiness, but you&#8217;ll have more joy and meaning.&#8221;</p>
<p>Potentially, there&#8217;s a point parallel to those utilitarians who want to maximize total utility instead of average utility.</p>
<p>If meaning is asserted/manufactured by humans, more humans might result in a greater production of meaning.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/04/25/accounting-for-children/#comment-14181</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

You don&#039;t want people to decide whether to have kids or how many to have without accurate information about the costs.  Fair enough -- more accurate information is always helpful when optimizing.

But, since we know that not having kids (or not having enough kids) might have an opportunity cost in terms of benefits foregone, shouldn&#039;t you be equally worried that those who have not had kids lack accurate information about what they are missing out on?  Why assume net costs instead of net benefits?

Since most parents nowadays (in contrast to times when everyone got married at 18) have experienced at least some portion of their adult life childless, I think we should take their assessments of the net benefits/costs of having children as the more accurate, at least given their idiosyncratic preferences.

We might say to the childless as we say to children &quot;How do you know you don&#039;t like it? You haven&#039;t even tried it yet.&quot;

The only people I can think of who have comparable information to make informed assessments would be those who *had* been parents, but had lost or severed the relationship with the child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t want people to decide whether to have kids or how many to have without accurate information about the costs.  Fair enough &#8212; more accurate information is always helpful when optimizing.</p>
<p>But, since we know that not having kids (or not having enough kids) might have an opportunity cost in terms of benefits foregone, shouldn&#8217;t you be equally worried that those who have not had kids lack accurate information about what they are missing out on?  Why assume net costs instead of net benefits?</p>
<p>Since most parents nowadays (in contrast to times when everyone got married at 18) have experienced at least some portion of their adult life childless, I think we should take their assessments of the net benefits/costs of having children as the more accurate, at least given their idiosyncratic preferences.</p>
<p>We might say to the childless as we say to children &#8220;How do you know you don&#8217;t like it? You haven&#8217;t even tried it yet.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only people I can think of who have comparable information to make informed assessments would be those who *had* been parents, but had lost or severed the relationship with the child.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/04/25/accounting-for-children/#comment-14189</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

You don&#039;t want people to decide whether to have kids or how many to have without accurate information about the costs.  Fair enough -- more accurate information is always helpful when optimizing.

But, since we know that not having kids (or not having enough kids) might have an opportunity cost in terms of benefits foregone, shouldn&#039;t you be equally worried that those who have not had kids lack accurate information about what they are missing out on?  Why assume net costs instead of net benefits?

Since most parents nowadays (in contrast to times when everyone got married at 18) have experienced at least some portion of their adult life childless, I think we should take their assessments of the net benefits/costs of having children as the more accurate, at least given their idiosyncratic preferences.

We might say to the childless as we say to children &quot;How do you know you don&#039;t like it? You haven&#039;t even tried it yet.&quot;

The only people I can think of who have comparable information to make informed assessments would be those who *had* been parents, but had lost or severed the relationship with the child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t want people to decide whether to have kids or how many to have without accurate information about the costs.  Fair enough &#8212; more accurate information is always helpful when optimizing.</p>
<p>But, since we know that not having kids (or not having enough kids) might have an opportunity cost in terms of benefits foregone, shouldn&#8217;t you be equally worried that those who have not had kids lack accurate information about what they are missing out on?  Why assume net costs instead of net benefits?</p>
<p>Since most parents nowadays (in contrast to times when everyone got married at 18) have experienced at least some portion of their adult life childless, I think we should take their assessments of the net benefits/costs of having children as the more accurate, at least given their idiosyncratic preferences.</p>
<p>We might say to the childless as we say to children &#8220;How do you know you don&#8217;t like it? You haven&#8217;t even tried it yet.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only people I can think of who have comparable information to make informed assessments would be those who *had* been parents, but had lost or severed the relationship with the child.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/04/25/accounting-for-children/#comment-14180</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to point out that Malthus was no &quot;idiot&quot;, Duoist.  I&#039;d like to have seen you predict the unprecedented take-off in trend productivity growth a couple hundred years back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to point out that Malthus was no &#8220;idiot&#8221;, Duoist.  I&#8217;d like to have seen you predict the unprecedented take-off in trend productivity growth a couple hundred years back.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/04/25/accounting-for-children/#comment-14188</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to point out that Malthus was no &quot;idiot&quot;, Duoist.  I&#039;d like to have seen you predict the unprecedented take-off in trend productivity growth a couple hundred years back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to point out that Malthus was no &#8220;idiot&#8221;, Duoist.  I&#8217;d like to have seen you predict the unprecedented take-off in trend productivity growth a couple hundred years back.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/04/25/accounting-for-children/#comment-14179</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see you have taken what I call below, &quot;the route of the sentimental moralist.&quot; Which is fine, I guess, if you&#039;re not interested in actually knowing things. I have no interest in the population of humanity. We&#039;re talking about the self-interest of parents. You seem to say that kids are both obviously not in the parents&#039; self-interest and yet the self-interested benefits are incalculable. Which is it?

And still... How many do you have, and why don&#039;t you have one more than that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you have taken what I call below, &#8220;the route of the sentimental moralist.&#8221; Which is fine, I guess, if you&#8217;re not interested in actually knowing things. I have no interest in the population of humanity. We&#8217;re talking about the self-interest of parents. You seem to say that kids are both obviously not in the parents&#8217; self-interest and yet the self-interested benefits are incalculable. Which is it?</p>
<p>And still&#8230; How many do you have, and why don&#8217;t you have one more than that?</p>
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