Comments on: The Sound You Hear Is Your Paradigm Shifting http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/ The Sweet Release of Reason Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:45 +0000 hourly 1 By: mass_immigration_reduction http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13169 mass_immigration_reduction Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:22:02 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13169 Just came and read, this is wow! I was seek from many blogs, but here is the best, I love it. Just came and read, this is wow! I was seek from many blogs, but here is the best, I love it.

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]]> By: Income per natural at Rage on Omnipotent http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13165 Income per natural at Rage on Omnipotent Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:55:16 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13165 [...] if migration is a source of economic prosperity and welfare, then don’t we need to know the average income for a Pole (wherever they live), rather than the average income per head in [...] [...] if migration is a source of economic prosperity and welfare, then don’t we need to know the average income for a Pole (wherever they live), rather than the average income per head in [...]

]]> By: ram http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13164 ram Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:10:20 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13164 "Once one realizes that emigration is a principal route out of poverty for people from many countries, as we demonstrate" Did that really require demonstration? Is there any substantial number of people (in either side of the immigration-reform debate) who don't believe that? And will that affect the immigration debate? The core opposition to more open immigration laws does not stem from disbelief about the welfare-improvement characteristics of migration for the immigrants, but from (populist) non-sequiturs about how it harms the welfare of the current residents. (Full disclosure: I'm in the US under a work visa and all for opening up the labor markets to more competition.) “Once one realizes that emigration is a principal route out of poverty for people from many countries, as we demonstrate”

Did that really require demonstration? Is there any substantial number of people (in either side of the immigration-reform debate) who don’t believe that?

And will that affect the immigration debate? The core opposition to more open immigration laws does not stem from disbelief about the welfare-improvement characteristics of migration for the immigrants, but from (populist) non-sequiturs about how it harms the welfare of the current residents.

(Full disclosure: I’m in the US under a work visa and all for opening up the labor markets to more competition.)

]]> By: ram http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13178 ram Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:10:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13178 "Once one realizes that emigration is a principal route out of poverty for people from many countries, as we demonstrate" Did that really require demonstration? Is there any substantial number of people (in either side of the immigration-reform debate) who don't believe that? And will that affect the immigration debate? The core opposition to more open immigration laws does not stem from disbelief about the welfare-improvement characteristics of migration for the immigrants, but from (populist) non-sequiturs about how it harms the welfare of the current residents. (Full disclosure: I'm in the US under a work visa and all for opening up the labor markets to more competition.) “Once one realizes that emigration is a principal route out of poverty for people from many countries, as we demonstrate”

Did that really require demonstration? Is there any substantial number of people (in either side of the immigration-reform debate) who don’t believe that?

And will that affect the immigration debate? The core opposition to more open immigration laws does not stem from disbelief about the welfare-improvement characteristics of migration for the immigrants, but from (populist) non-sequiturs about how it harms the welfare of the current residents.

(Full disclosure: I’m in the US under a work visa and all for opening up the labor markets to more competition.)

]]> By: ram http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13179 ram Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:10:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13179 "Once one realizes that emigration is a principal route out of poverty for people from many countries, as we demonstrate" Did that really require demonstration? Is there any substantial number of people (in either side of the immigration-reform debate) who don't believe that? And will that affect the immigration debate? The core opposition to more open immigration laws does not stem from disbelief about the welfare-improvement characteristics of migration for the immigrants, but from (populist) non-sequiturs about how it harms the welfare of the current residents. (Full disclosure: I'm in the US under a work visa and all for opening up the labor markets to more competition.) “Once one realizes that emigration is a principal route out of poverty for people from many countries, as we demonstrate”

Did that really require demonstration? Is there any substantial number of people (in either side of the immigration-reform debate) who don’t believe that?

And will that affect the immigration debate? The core opposition to more open immigration laws does not stem from disbelief about the welfare-improvement characteristics of migration for the immigrants, but from (populist) non-sequiturs about how it harms the welfare of the current residents.

(Full disclosure: I’m in the US under a work visa and all for opening up the labor markets to more competition.)

]]> By: bartman http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13163 bartman Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:17:28 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13163 Michael: The "irrelevant" jab was aimed at Wilkinson's breathless hyperbole. It appears to me that you've simply invented a new metric to show that people move from poor countries to rich ones. Your metric might be novel but the point it serves to illustrate is obvious - indeed, self-evident. I'm sorry, at first glance I assumed your work a positivist economics paper, and criticized it thusly. After reading your comment, I see that it is in fact normative, and designed to reinforce a previously existing policy position. I mistakenly assumed objectivity, where I should have assumed subjectivity. My error, and I'll take a closer read with that in mind. (BTW, as a migrant and as a libertarian, I happen to agree with your policy position, but that's neither here nor there.) The reason I find your work shoddy is that I looked at your numbers for several Arab Gulf states (an area I am familiar with), and found your results to be laughably absurd, prima facie. I haven't read the whole thing, which I will do tonight. I'll then e-mail you if I have any constructive criticisms concerning methodology or conclusion. Michael:

The “irrelevant” jab was aimed at Wilkinson’s breathless hyperbole.

It appears to me that you’ve simply invented a new metric to show that people move from poor countries to rich ones. Your metric might be novel but the point it serves to illustrate is obvious – indeed, self-evident.

I’m sorry, at first glance I assumed your work a positivist economics paper, and criticized it thusly. After reading your comment, I see that it is in fact normative, and designed to reinforce a previously existing policy position. I mistakenly assumed objectivity, where I should have assumed subjectivity. My error, and I’ll take a closer read with that in mind.

(BTW, as a migrant and as a libertarian, I happen to agree with your policy position, but that’s neither here nor there.)

The reason I find your work shoddy is that I looked at your numbers for several Arab Gulf states (an area I am familiar with), and found your results to be laughably absurd, prima facie. I haven’t read the whole thing, which I will do tonight. I’ll then e-mail you if I have any constructive criticisms concerning methodology or conclusion.

]]> By: bartman http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13174 bartman Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:17:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13174 Michael: The "irrelevant" jab was aimed at Wilkinson's breathless hyperbole. It appears to me that you've simply invented a new metric to show that people move from poor countries to rich ones. Your metric might be novel but the point it serves to illustrate is obvious - indeed, self-evident. I'm sorry, at first glance I assumed your work a positivist economics paper, and criticized it thusly. After reading your comment, I see that it is in fact normative, and designed to reinforce a previously existing policy position. I mistakenly assumed objectivity, where I should have assumed subjectivity. My error, and I'll take a closer read with that in mind. (BTW, as a migrant and as a libertarian, I happen to agree with your policy position, but that's neither here nor there.) The reason I find your work shoddy is that I looked at your numbers for several Arab Gulf states (an area I am familiar with), and found your results to be laughably absurd, prima facie. I haven't read the whole thing, which I will do tonight. I'll then e-mail you if I have any constructive criticisms concerning methodology or conclusion. Michael:

The “irrelevant” jab was aimed at Wilkinson’s breathless hyperbole.

It appears to me that you’ve simply invented a new metric to show that people move from poor countries to rich ones. Your metric might be novel but the point it serves to illustrate is obvious – indeed, self-evident.

I’m sorry, at first glance I assumed your work a positivist economics paper, and criticized it thusly. After reading your comment, I see that it is in fact normative, and designed to reinforce a previously existing policy position. I mistakenly assumed objectivity, where I should have assumed subjectivity. My error, and I’ll take a closer read with that in mind.

(BTW, as a migrant and as a libertarian, I happen to agree with your policy position, but that’s neither here nor there.)

The reason I find your work shoddy is that I looked at your numbers for several Arab Gulf states (an area I am familiar with), and found your results to be laughably absurd, prima facie. I haven’t read the whole thing, which I will do tonight. I’ll then e-mail you if I have any constructive criticisms concerning methodology or conclusion.

]]> By: bartman http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13175 bartman Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:17:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13175 Michael: The "irrelevant" jab was aimed at Wilkinson's breathless hyperbole. It appears to me that you've simply invented a new metric to show that people move from poor countries to rich ones. Your metric might be novel but the point it serves to illustrate is obvious - indeed, self-evident. I'm sorry, at first glance I assumed your work a positivist economics paper, and criticized it thusly. After reading your comment, I see that it is in fact normative, and designed to reinforce a previously existing policy position. I mistakenly assumed objectivity, where I should have assumed subjectivity. My error, and I'll take a closer read with that in mind. (BTW, as a migrant and as a libertarian, I happen to agree with your policy position, but that's neither here nor there.) The reason I find your work shoddy is that I looked at your numbers for several Arab Gulf states (an area I am familiar with), and found your results to be laughably absurd, prima facie. I haven't read the whole thing, which I will do tonight. I'll then e-mail you if I have any constructive criticisms concerning methodology or conclusion. Michael:

The “irrelevant” jab was aimed at Wilkinson’s breathless hyperbole.

It appears to me that you’ve simply invented a new metric to show that people move from poor countries to rich ones. Your metric might be novel but the point it serves to illustrate is obvious – indeed, self-evident.

I’m sorry, at first glance I assumed your work a positivist economics paper, and criticized it thusly. After reading your comment, I see that it is in fact normative, and designed to reinforce a previously existing policy position. I mistakenly assumed objectivity, where I should have assumed subjectivity. My error, and I’ll take a closer read with that in mind.

(BTW, as a migrant and as a libertarian, I happen to agree with your policy position, but that’s neither here nor there.)

The reason I find your work shoddy is that I looked at your numbers for several Arab Gulf states (an area I am familiar with), and found your results to be laughably absurd, prima facie. I haven’t read the whole thing, which I will do tonight. I’ll then e-mail you if I have any constructive criticisms concerning methodology or conclusion.

]]> By: MIchael Clemens http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13162 MIchael Clemens Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:29:36 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13162 Bartman, too bad you find the analysis shoddy and irrelevant! On shoddiness: No one ever attempted it before, so if you find it poor I urge you and others to improve on it. On relevance: I'm glad you find it irrelevant, because you must therefore already be convinced -- as few people are -- that migration is a form of economic development. For others who aren't as bright as yourself, the point is relevant: Once one realizes that emigration is a principal route out of poverty for people from many countries, as we demonstrate, it becomes less and less ethical for people who have already escaped poverty to block those movements with coercive force, as we do now. Bartman, too bad you find the analysis shoddy and irrelevant! On shoddiness: No one ever attempted it before, so if you find it poor I urge you and others to improve on it. On relevance: I’m glad you find it irrelevant, because you must therefore already be convinced — as few people are — that migration is a form of economic development. For others who aren’t as bright as yourself, the point is relevant: Once one realizes that emigration is a principal route out of poverty for people from many countries, as we demonstrate, it becomes less and less ethical for people who have already escaped poverty to block those movements with coercive force, as we do now.

]]> By: MIchael Clemens http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13186 MIchael Clemens Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:29:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/30/the-sound-you-hear-is-your-paradigm-shifting/#comment-13186 Bartman, too bad you find the analysis shoddy and irrelevant! On shoddiness: No one ever attempted it before, so if you find it poor I urge you and others to improve on it. On relevance: I'm glad you find it irrelevant, because you must therefore already be convinced -- as few people are -- that migration is a form of economic development. For others who aren't as bright as yourself, the point is relevant: Once one realizes that emigration is a principal route out of poverty for people from many countries, as we demonstrate, it becomes less and less ethical for people who have already escaped poverty to block those movements with coercive force, as we do now. Bartman, too bad you find the analysis shoddy and irrelevant! On shoddiness: No one ever attempted it before, so if you find it poor I urge you and others to improve on it. On relevance: I’m glad you find it irrelevant, because you must therefore already be convinced — as few people are — that migration is a form of economic development. For others who aren’t as bright as yourself, the point is relevant: Once one realizes that emigration is a principal route out of poverty for people from many countries, as we demonstrate, it becomes less and less ethical for people who have already escaped poverty to block those movements with coercive force, as we do now.

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