Comments on: The Solidarity of Ethnic Homogeneity: Not Liberal, Other Things Work Better http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/ The Sweet Release of Reason Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:11:50 +0000 hourly 1 By: Homogeneity And The Welfare State « Matt Zeitlin: Impetuous Young Whippersnapper http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12995 Homogeneity And The Welfare State « Matt Zeitlin: Impetuous Young Whippersnapper Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:41:37 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12995 [...] and even fascism, has turned off some liberals from the very idea of redistributionist politics, like Will Wilkinson: “the kind of homogeneity and conformity necessary to generate the sense of solidarity that [...] [...] and even fascism, has turned off some liberals from the very idea of redistributionist politics, like Will Wilkinson: “the kind of homogeneity and conformity necessary to generate the sense of solidarity that [...]

]]> By: TGGP http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12994 TGGP Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:27:07 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12994 A while back I said "<a href="http://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/be-grateful-diversity-reduces-trust/" rel="nofollow">Be grateful diversity reduces trust</a>". A while back I said “Be grateful diversity reduces trust“.

]]> By: TGGP http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12998 TGGP Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:27:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12998 A while back I said "<a href="http://entitledtoanopinion.wordpress.com/2007/09/18/be-grateful-diversity-reduces-trust/" rel="nofollow">Be grateful diversity reduces trust</a>". A while back I said “Be grateful diversity reduces trust“.

]]> By: Reihan http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12993 Reihan Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:04:26 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12993 But Matt, you realize that there are confounding variables here, right? I don't think you're asking the right questions. Australia has seen a lot of deregulation, including some very controversial labor market deregulation. Is that because of increased ethnoracial fragmentation? Probably not. As Paul Pierson argues ages ago, welfare state retrenchment is pretty rare for a lot of reasons, among them the relative weight of the public sector workforce and dependent constituencies. Canada is extremely decentralized, and there are many factors at work in the provinces -- high levels of urbanization lends itself to more redistribution, for example. And of course the most urbanized provinces tend to be more diverse. That's why Glaeser and Alesina tried to tease out the relative impacts of density from diversity. The issue is -- how does ethnoracial fragmentation shape the preference for redistribution, and what kind of redistribution is demanded? But Matt, you realize that there are confounding variables here, right? I don’t think you’re asking the right questions. Australia has seen a lot of deregulation, including some very controversial labor market deregulation. Is that because of increased ethnoracial fragmentation? Probably not. As Paul Pierson argues ages ago, welfare state retrenchment is pretty rare for a lot of reasons, among them the relative weight of the public sector workforce and dependent constituencies. Canada is extremely decentralized, and there are many factors at work in the provinces — high levels of urbanization lends itself to more redistribution, for example. And of course the most urbanized provinces tend to be more diverse. That’s why Glaeser and Alesina tried to tease out the relative impacts of density from diversity.

The issue is — how does ethnoracial fragmentation shape the preference for redistribution, and what kind of redistribution is demanded?

]]> By: Reihan http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12996 Reihan Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:04:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12996 But Matt, you realize that there are confounding variables here, right? I don't think you're asking the right questions. Australia has seen a lot of deregulation, including some very controversial labor market deregulation. Is that because of increased ethnoracial fragmentation? Probably not. As Paul Pierson argues ages ago, welfare state retrenchment is pretty rare for a lot of reasons, among them the relative weight of the public sector workforce and dependent constituencies. Canada is extremely decentralized, and there are many factors at work in the provinces -- high levels of urbanization lends itself to more redistribution, for example. And of course the most urbanized provinces tend to be more diverse. That's why Glaeser and Alesina tried to tease out the relative impacts of density from diversity. The issue is -- how does ethnoracial fragmentation shape the preference for redistribution, and what kind of redistribution is demanded? But Matt, you realize that there are confounding variables here, right? I don’t think you’re asking the right questions. Australia has seen a lot of deregulation, including some very controversial labor market deregulation. Is that because of increased ethnoracial fragmentation? Probably not. As Paul Pierson argues ages ago, welfare state retrenchment is pretty rare for a lot of reasons, among them the relative weight of the public sector workforce and dependent constituencies. Canada is extremely decentralized, and there are many factors at work in the provinces — high levels of urbanization lends itself to more redistribution, for example. And of course the most urbanized provinces tend to be more diverse. That’s why Glaeser and Alesina tried to tease out the relative impacts of density from diversity.

The issue is — how does ethnoracial fragmentation shape the preference for redistribution, and what kind of redistribution is demanded?

]]> By: Matt http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12992 Matt Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:27:16 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12992 I'm fairly skeptical about the emperical claims that are made on this subject. (Kymlicka and Norman have some work on this.) For example, both Australia and Canada have become _significantly_ more racially diverse since the mid 1960s or early 70's when they got rid of explicitly racist immigration policies. My impression, though, is that neither country has significantly cut back welfare-state policies since that time, and in some cases increased them. Now, we might think that they would have increased them _even more_ if they had stayed racially homogenous, but that seems far from obvious to me. So I'm skeptical that this diversity, rather than other features, are what's doing the majority of the work. I’m fairly skeptical about the emperical claims that are made on this subject. (Kymlicka and Norman have some work on this.) For example, both Australia and Canada have become _significantly_ more racially diverse since the mid 1960s or early 70′s when they got rid of explicitly racist immigration policies. My impression, though, is that neither country has significantly cut back welfare-state policies since that time, and in some cases increased them. Now, we might think that they would have increased them _even more_ if they had stayed racially homogenous, but that seems far from obvious to me. So I’m skeptical that this diversity, rather than other features, are what’s doing the majority of the work.

]]> By: Matt http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12997 Matt Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:27:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/18/the-solidarity-of-ethnic-homogeneity-not-liberal-other-things-work-better/#comment-12997 I'm fairly skeptical about the emperical claims that are made on this subject. (Kymlicka and Norman have some work on this.) For example, both Australia and Canada have become _significantly_ more racially diverse since the mid 1960s or early 70's when they got rid of explicitly racist immigration policies. My impression, though, is that neither country has significantly cut back welfare-state policies since that time, and in some cases increased them. Now, we might think that they would have increased them _even more_ if they had stayed racially homogenous, but that seems far from obvious to me. So I'm skeptical that this diversity, rather than other features, are what's doing the majority of the work. I’m fairly skeptical about the emperical claims that are made on this subject. (Kymlicka and Norman have some work on this.) For example, both Australia and Canada have become _significantly_ more racially diverse since the mid 1960s or early 70′s when they got rid of explicitly racist immigration policies. My impression, though, is that neither country has significantly cut back welfare-state policies since that time, and in some cases increased them. Now, we might think that they would have increased them _even more_ if they had stayed racially homogenous, but that seems far from obvious to me. So I’m skeptical that this diversity, rather than other features, are what’s doing the majority of the work.

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