Comments on: How Sex Is (and Isn't) Different, Part II http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/ The Sweet Release of Reason Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:11:50 +0000 hourly 1 By: sex toys http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12949 sex toys Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:29:16 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12949 great post thanks! great post thanks!

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]]> By: Susan http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12950 Susan Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:23:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12950 When I was reading your post (which I totally agree with) I was surprised that no one mentioned the military as an example. Something to think about... When I was reading your post (which I totally agree with) I was surprised that no one mentioned the military as an example. Something to think about…

]]> By: pushmedia1 http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12946 pushmedia1 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:34:32 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12946 Will, I really wanted you to tell me (again) why I shouldn't like so-called libertarian paternalism. :-) Anyway, I was asking you to be too charitable. How about if we know <i>on average</i> prostitutes are net harmed? I bet one could dig up some psychology literature that would suggest this. I don't think you can answer this by wishing away current paternalism. We're stuck with it and so by not saving prostitutes from themselves, we cause harm. I guess I'm wondering if you accept the conditioned statement: given the current levels of paternalism, we must rescue potential prostitutes from themselves. If not, is it ok to do harm to the current generation of prostitutes via paternalism so that we can transition to a non-paternalistic world in which future generations of prostitutes can do their business without opprobrium? (i.e. is the conservative position really just a pragmatic one?) Will, I really wanted you to tell me (again) why I shouldn’t like so-called libertarian paternalism. :-)

Anyway, I was asking you to be too charitable. How about if we know on average prostitutes are net harmed? I bet one could dig up some psychology literature that would suggest this. I don’t think you can answer this by wishing away current paternalism. We’re stuck with it and so by not saving prostitutes from themselves, we cause harm.

I guess I’m wondering if you accept the conditioned statement: given the current levels of paternalism, we must rescue potential prostitutes from themselves. If not, is it ok to do harm to the current generation of prostitutes via paternalism so that we can transition to a non-paternalistic world in which future generations of prostitutes can do their business without opprobrium? (i.e. is the conservative position really just a pragmatic one?)

]]> By: pushmedia1 http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12954 pushmedia1 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:34:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12954 Will, I really wanted you to tell me (again) why I shouldn't like so-called libertarian paternalism. :-) Anyway, I was asking you to be too charitable. How about if we know <i>on average</i> prostitutes are net harmed? I bet one could dig up some psychology literature that would suggest this. I don't think you can answer this by wishing away current paternalism. We're stuck with it and so by not saving prostitutes from themselves, we cause harm. I guess I'm wondering if you accept the conditioned statement: given the current levels of paternalism, we must rescue potential prostitutes from themselves. If not, is it ok to do harm to the current generation of prostitutes via paternalism so that we can transition to a non-paternalistic world in which future generations of prostitutes can do their business without opprobrium? (i.e. is the conservative position really just a pragmatic one?) Will, I really wanted you to tell me (again) why I shouldn’t like so-called libertarian paternalism. :-)

Anyway, I was asking you to be too charitable. How about if we know on average prostitutes are net harmed? I bet one could dig up some psychology literature that would suggest this. I don’t think you can answer this by wishing away current paternalism. We’re stuck with it and so by not saving prostitutes from themselves, we cause harm.

I guess I’m wondering if you accept the conditioned statement: given the current levels of paternalism, we must rescue potential prostitutes from themselves. If not, is it ok to do harm to the current generation of prostitutes via paternalism so that we can transition to a non-paternalistic world in which future generations of prostitutes can do their business without opprobrium? (i.e. is the conservative position really just a pragmatic one?)

]]> By: James http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12945 James Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:45:16 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12945 As you suggest, using other people in ways which de-humanise them creates dangers for their dignity (and perhaps their safety). Other commentators use the word "objectification" to refer to this. While I agree with your substantive position, I would question whether we "enjoy being objectified". I want to be sexually desirable in the capacity of lover. I want to be economically productive in the capacity of colleague. I do not wish to be objectified. As you suggest, using other people in ways which de-humanise them creates dangers for their dignity (and perhaps their safety). Other commentators use the word “objectification” to refer to this. While I agree with your substantive position, I would question whether we “enjoy being objectified”. I want to be sexually desirable in the capacity of lover. I want to be economically productive in the capacity of colleague.

I do not wish to be objectified.

]]> By: James http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12951 James Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:45:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12951 As you suggest, using other people in ways which de-humanise them creates dangers for their dignity (and perhaps their safety). Other commentators use the word "objectification" to refer to this. While I agree with your substantive position, I would question whether we "enjoy being objectified". I want to be sexually desirable in the capacity of lover. I want to be economically productive in the capacity of colleague. I do not wish to be objectified. As you suggest, using other people in ways which de-humanise them creates dangers for their dignity (and perhaps their safety). Other commentators use the word “objectification” to refer to this. While I agree with your substantive position, I would question whether we “enjoy being objectified”. I want to be sexually desirable in the capacity of lover. I want to be economically productive in the capacity of colleague.

I do not wish to be objectified.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12944 Will Wilkinson Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:20:23 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12944 push, Well, it depends on the extent to which the harm is a function of the standing paternalism. If what you post were true, then yes, that would be as good as a case for paternalism gets. Of course, it's nowhere near being true. Conceding obviously false empirical premises is a whole other kind of charity. push,

Well, it depends on the extent to which the harm is a function of the standing paternalism.

If what you post were true, then yes, that would be as good as a case for paternalism gets. Of course, it’s nowhere near being true. Conceding obviously false empirical premises is a whole other kind of charity.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12952 Will Wilkinson Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:20:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/03/17/how-sex-is-and-isnt-different-part-ii/#comment-12952 push, Well, it depends on the extent to which the harm is a function of the standing paternalism. If what you post were true, then yes, that would be as good as a case for paternalism gets. Of course, it's nowhere near being true. Conceding obviously false empirical premises is a whole other kind of charity. push,

Well, it depends on the extent to which the harm is a function of the standing paternalism.

If what you post were true, then yes, that would be as good as a case for paternalism gets. Of course, it’s nowhere near being true. Conceding obviously false empirical premises is a whole other kind of charity.

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