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	<description>The Sweet Release of Reason</description>
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		<title>By: Doji12</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12525</link>
		<dc:creator>Doji12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed the post and i like to share this info with info with my friends that it could be discussed further thanks for sharing the post.&lt;br&gt;Regards,&lt;br&gt;Doji - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.24hour-emergencydentist.co.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;emergency dentistry&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed the post and i like to share this info with info with my friends that it could be discussed further thanks for sharing the post.<br />Regards,<br />Doji &#8211; <a href="http://www.24hour-emergencydentist.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">emergency dentistry</a></p>
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		<title>By: Doji12</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12524</link>
		<dc:creator>Doji12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed the post and i like to share this info with info with my friends that it could be discussed further thanks for sharing the post.&lt;br&gt;Regards,&lt;br&gt;Doji - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.24hour-emergencydentist.co.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;emergency dentistry&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed the post and i like to share this info with info with my friends that it could be discussed further thanks for sharing the post.<br />Regards,<br />Doji &#8211; <a href="http://www.24hour-emergencydentist.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">emergency dentistry</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hampers</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12523</link>
		<dc:creator>Hampers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first logic makes me laugh. A silly &quot;alibi&quot;, a shallow reason...very obvious that you were not really in the mood to attend. Why reason the toxic emission of the plane? LOL...Whether you attend or not, the plane will &quot;fly&quot; -still the toxic is release and you and all of us - will inhale the deadly fumes. Next time, bring with you fabulous food hampers as present. Nice isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first logic makes me laugh. A silly &#8220;alibi&#8221;, a shallow reason&#8230;very obvious that you were not really in the mood to attend. Why reason the toxic emission of the plane? LOL&#8230;Whether you attend or not, the plane will &#8220;fly&#8221; -still the toxic is release and you and all of us &#8211; will inhale the deadly fumes. Next time, bring with you fabulous food hampers as present. Nice isn&#39;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Flights to Australia</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12522</link>
		<dc:creator>Flights to Australia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, your answer is really interesting and amusing!  Don&#039;t you find it tedious job to answer to those question which relates to some extent moral or ethics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, your answer is really interesting and amusing!  Don&#39;t you find it tedious job to answer to those question which relates to some extent moral or ethics?</p>
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		<title>By: Amateur Moral Theory - Proposition 2 Edition &#171; A Banner Coward</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12521</link>
		<dc:creator>Amateur Moral Theory - Proposition 2 Edition &#171; A Banner Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 01:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the plane ride would dump more carbon into the atmosphere and thus contribute to global warming. In that case, relax. The plane will fly regardless of whether you&#8217;re on it, the carbon footprint of the flight is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the plane ride would dump more carbon into the atmosphere and thus contribute to global warming. In that case, relax. The plane will fly regardless of whether you&#8217;re on it, the carbon footprint of the flight is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: luispedro</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12520</link>
		<dc:creator>luispedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that you, as a libertarian, would tend towards a Kantian &quot;do as you believe everyone should do in your situation&quot; in which case, the number of flights would certainly decrease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that you, as a libertarian, would tend towards a Kantian &#8220;do as you believe everyone should do in your situation&#8221; in which case, the number of flights would certainly decrease.</p>
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		<title>By: luispedro</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12544</link>
		<dc:creator>luispedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 02:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that you, as a libertarian, would tend towards a Kantian &quot;do as you believe everyone should do in your situation&quot; in which case, the number of flights would certainly decrease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that you, as a libertarian, would tend towards a Kantian &#8220;do as you believe everyone should do in your situation&#8221; in which case, the number of flights would certainly decrease.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Shulman</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12519</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Shulman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

The factual premise, that if you don&#039;t affect whether the plane flies then you don&#039;t affect emissions, is wrong. Your mass and the mass of your luggage force the plane to expend more fuel to accelerate, decelerate, and to maintain cruising speed on a given route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>The factual premise, that if you don&#8217;t affect whether the plane flies then you don&#8217;t affect emissions, is wrong. Your mass and the mass of your luggage force the plane to expend more fuel to accelerate, decelerate, and to maintain cruising speed on a given route.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Shulman</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12547</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Shulman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

The factual premise, that if you don&#039;t affect whether the plane flies then you don&#039;t affect emissions, is wrong. Your mass and the mass of your luggage force the plane to expend more fuel to accelerate, decelerate, and to maintain cruising speed on a given route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>The factual premise, that if you don&#8217;t affect whether the plane flies then you don&#8217;t affect emissions, is wrong. Your mass and the mass of your luggage force the plane to expend more fuel to accelerate, decelerate, and to maintain cruising speed on a given route.</p>
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		<title>By: conchis</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12518</link>
		<dc:creator>conchis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I question the opinion of anyone who thinks 2 x 1.3 = 4&quot;

Which would be no-one. You get to 4-ish assuming 1.5 tanks per leg (which would be conservative, cos it&#039;s probably closer to 2). Next time try reading before mouthing off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I question the opinion of anyone who thinks 2 x 1.3 = 4&#8243;</p>
<p>Which would be no-one. You get to 4-ish assuming 1.5 tanks per leg (which would be conservative, cos it&#8217;s probably closer to 2). Next time try reading before mouthing off.</p>
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		<title>By: conchis</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12526</link>
		<dc:creator>conchis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I question the opinion of anyone who thinks 2 x 1.3 = 4&quot;

Which would be no-one. You get to 4-ish assuming 1.5 tanks per leg (which would be conservative, cos it&#039;s probably closer to 2). Next time try reading before mouthing off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I question the opinion of anyone who thinks 2 x 1.3 = 4&#8243;</p>
<p>Which would be no-one. You get to 4-ish assuming 1.5 tanks per leg (which would be conservative, cos it&#8217;s probably closer to 2). Next time try reading before mouthing off.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12517</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will-
   I think you&#039;re off on two claims here. First, the chicken case is pretty parallel: My private abstention has no perceptible effect on the aggregate demand for chicken, but the abstention of many people concerned about animal suffering might.

Second, I think you&#039;re reading Parfit sort of backwards here: He explicitly wants to argue that each &quot;torturer&quot; acts wrongly even if we think the notion of &quot;imperceptible pain&quot; is a sort of nonsense, and even stipulating that an individual torturer causes nobody any pain at all.  Bottom of page 80, if you&#039;re following along at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will-<br />
   I think you&#8217;re off on two claims here. First, the chicken case is pretty parallel: My private abstention has no perceptible effect on the aggregate demand for chicken, but the abstention of many people concerned about animal suffering might.</p>
<p>Second, I think you&#8217;re reading Parfit sort of backwards here: He explicitly wants to argue that each &#8220;torturer&#8221; acts wrongly even if we think the notion of &#8220;imperceptible pain&#8221; is a sort of nonsense, and even stipulating that an individual torturer causes nobody any pain at all.  Bottom of page 80, if you&#8217;re following along at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Sanchez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will-
   I think you&#039;re off on two claims here. First, the chicken case is pretty parallel: My private abstention has no perceptible effect on the aggregate demand for chicken, but the abstention of many people concerned about animal suffering might.

Second, I think you&#039;re reading Parfit sort of backwards here: He explicitly wants to argue that each &quot;torturer&quot; acts wrongly even if we think the notion of &quot;imperceptible pain&quot; is a sort of nonsense, and even stipulating that an individual torturer causes nobody any pain at all.  Bottom of page 80, if you&#039;re following along at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will-<br />
   I think you&#8217;re off on two claims here. First, the chicken case is pretty parallel: My private abstention has no perceptible effect on the aggregate demand for chicken, but the abstention of many people concerned about animal suffering might.</p>
<p>Second, I think you&#8217;re reading Parfit sort of backwards here: He explicitly wants to argue that each &#8220;torturer&#8221; acts wrongly even if we think the notion of &#8220;imperceptible pain&#8221; is a sort of nonsense, and even stipulating that an individual torturer causes nobody any pain at all.  Bottom of page 80, if you&#8217;re following along at home.</p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12516</link>
		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also people who are interested in an extremely thorough treatment of the problem exemplified in Will&#039;s post above can read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Demands-Nonideal-Theory-Oxford-Ethics/dp/0195171950/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1204002656&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Moral Demands in Non-Ideal Theory&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Liam Murphy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also people who are interested in an extremely thorough treatment of the problem exemplified in Will&#8217;s post above can read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Demands-Nonideal-Theory-Oxford-Ethics/dp/0195171950/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1204002656&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"><i>Moral Demands in Non-Ideal Theory</i></a> by Liam Murphy.</p>
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		<title>By: ck</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/24/more-fun-with-collective-action/#comment-12542</link>
		<dc:creator>ck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also people who are interested in an extremely thorough treatment of the problem exemplified in Will&#039;s post above can read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Demands-Nonideal-Theory-Oxford-Ethics/dp/0195171950/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1204002656&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Moral Demands in Non-Ideal Theory&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Liam Murphy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also people who are interested in an extremely thorough treatment of the problem exemplified in Will&#8217;s post above can read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Demands-Nonideal-Theory-Oxford-Ethics/dp/0195171950/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1204002656&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"><i>Moral Demands in Non-Ideal Theory</i></a> by Liam Murphy.</p>
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