Comments on: Nationalist Moral Chauvinism http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/ The Sweet Release of Reason Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:11:50 +0000 hourly 1 By: JSBolton http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12055 JSBolton Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:03:50 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12055 "Micha Ghertner February 17th, 2008 07:03 34I have not, and will not, commit to any kind of allegiance to “fellow nationals” relative to others. " This is such a naked statement of disloyalism; the effrontery of it is breathtaking. If Ghertner lives in Israel, he needs to be visited by state security forthwith. If he is a resident alien in America, he is in an obviously undesirable category of highly deportable aliens. There is no place in the world for such a mentality, except perhaps parts of the Eastern Congo or the remainder of Somalia. That is, places so worthless, impoverished and ridden with freedom-for-aggression, that no one can be bothered to set up a functional government there and maintain it. The undesirable alien Ghertner should be told that there is still in force what is called the Smith Act in America. Note also how the mass-murder excusing left slides into such neat alignment with these libertarians of the disloyalist (see the Ghertner quote above) kind. they are disloyalists first and foremost, then differentiate. Ghertner has the further rank effrontery to describe patriots as not generating positive value for their society, while illegal aliens and disloyalistic resident aliens somehow do, and have a right to be here, ahead of the actual loyal citizens! Only nihilism could hatch so many inversions of the moral realm. “Micha Ghertner
February 17th, 2008 07:03 34I have not, and will not, commit to any kind of allegiance to “fellow nationals” relative to others. ”
This is such a naked statement of disloyalism; the effrontery of it is breathtaking. If Ghertner lives in Israel, he needs to be visited by state security forthwith. If he is a resident alien in America, he is in an obviously undesirable category of highly deportable aliens. There is no place in the world for such a mentality, except perhaps parts of the Eastern Congo or the remainder of Somalia. That is, places so worthless, impoverished and ridden with freedom-for-aggression, that no one can be bothered to set up a functional government there and maintain it. The undesirable alien Ghertner should be told that there is still in force what is called the Smith Act in America.
Note also how the mass-murder excusing left slides into such neat alignment with these libertarians of the disloyalist (see the Ghertner quote above) kind. they are disloyalists first and foremost, then differentiate.
Ghertner has the further rank effrontery to describe patriots as not generating positive value for their society, while illegal aliens and disloyalistic resident aliens somehow do, and have a right to be here, ahead of the actual loyal citizens!
Only nihilism could hatch so many inversions of the moral realm.

]]> By: JSBolton http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12060 JSBolton Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:03:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12060 "Micha Ghertner February 17th, 2008 07:03 34I have not, and will not, commit to any kind of allegiance to “fellow nationals” relative to others. " This is such a naked statement of disloyalism; the effrontery of it is breathtaking. If Ghertner lives in Israel, he needs to be visited by state security forthwith. If he is a resident alien in America, he is in an obviously undesirable category of highly deportable aliens. There is no place in the world for such a mentality, except perhaps parts of the Eastern Congo or the remainder of Somalia. That is, places so worthless, impoverished and ridden with freedom-for-aggression, that no one can be bothered to set up a functional government there and maintain it. The undesirable alien Ghertner should be told that there is still in force what is called the Smith Act in America. Note also how the mass-murder excusing left slides into such neat alignment with these libertarians of the disloyalist (see the Ghertner quote above) kind. they are disloyalists first and foremost, then differentiate. Ghertner has the further rank effrontery to describe patriots as not generating positive value for their society, while illegal aliens and disloyalistic resident aliens somehow do, and have a right to be here, ahead of the actual loyal citizens! Only nihilism could hatch so many inversions of the moral realm. “Micha Ghertner
February 17th, 2008 07:03 34I have not, and will not, commit to any kind of allegiance to “fellow nationals” relative to others. ”
This is such a naked statement of disloyalism; the effrontery of it is breathtaking. If Ghertner lives in Israel, he needs to be visited by state security forthwith. If he is a resident alien in America, he is in an obviously undesirable category of highly deportable aliens. There is no place in the world for such a mentality, except perhaps parts of the Eastern Congo or the remainder of Somalia. That is, places so worthless, impoverished and ridden with freedom-for-aggression, that no one can be bothered to set up a functional government there and maintain it. The undesirable alien Ghertner should be told that there is still in force what is called the Smith Act in America.
Note also how the mass-murder excusing left slides into such neat alignment with these libertarians of the disloyalist (see the Ghertner quote above) kind. they are disloyalists first and foremost, then differentiate.
Ghertner has the further rank effrontery to describe patriots as not generating positive value for their society, while illegal aliens and disloyalistic resident aliens somehow do, and have a right to be here, ahead of the actual loyal citizens!
Only nihilism could hatch so many inversions of the moral realm.

]]> By: JSBolton http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12054 JSBolton Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:41:35 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12054 Have we disrespected the Angels of God, who appeared as earthlings Ghertner and Wilkinson? Or is there supposed to be an Idolatry of the nation, which occurs when one speaks of its moral community of allegiance for counter-aggression, as the ONLY one which may in this world, command? Basing universalism on non-universal religion would be an act of faith at least, and perhaps an attempted theocratic bullying. Why did not God love and preserve for us the polyglot empires? Why does God send barbarians to the open societies before he destroys them, and why does he smite the stateless person without mercy? Citizens of the world are not known to be other than, or morally superior to nihilists, or not? Have we disrespected the Angels of God, who appeared as earthlings Ghertner and Wilkinson? Or is there supposed to be an Idolatry of the nation, which occurs when one speaks of its moral community of allegiance for counter-aggression, as the ONLY one which may in this world, command? Basing universalism on non-universal religion would be an act of faith at least, and perhaps an attempted theocratic bullying. Why did not God love and preserve for us the polyglot empires? Why does God send barbarians to the open societies before he destroys them, and why does he smite the stateless person without mercy? Citizens of the world are not known to be other than, or morally superior to nihilists, or not?

]]> By: JSBolton http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12059 JSBolton Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:41:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12059 Have we disrespected the Angels of God, who appeared as earthlings Ghertner and Wilkinson? Or is there supposed to be an Idolatry of the nation, which occurs when one speaks of its moral community of allegiance for counter-aggression, as the ONLY one which may in this world, command? Basing universalism on non-universal religion would be an act of faith at least, and perhaps an attempted theocratic bullying. Why did not God love and preserve for us the polyglot empires? Why does God send barbarians to the open societies before he destroys them, and why does he smite the stateless person without mercy? Citizens of the world are not known to be other than, or morally superior to nihilists, or not? Have we disrespected the Angels of God, who appeared as earthlings Ghertner and Wilkinson? Or is there supposed to be an Idolatry of the nation, which occurs when one speaks of its moral community of allegiance for counter-aggression, as the ONLY one which may in this world, command? Basing universalism on non-universal religion would be an act of faith at least, and perhaps an attempted theocratic bullying. Why did not God love and preserve for us the polyglot empires? Why does God send barbarians to the open societies before he destroys them, and why does he smite the stateless person without mercy? Citizens of the world are not known to be other than, or morally superior to nihilists, or not?

]]> By: Mencius http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12053 Mencius Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:09:23 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12053 <i>I have not, and will not, commit to any kind of allegiance to “fellow nationals” relative to others.</i> Needless to say, Micha, I'm happy to live in a country in which you're free to say a thing like that. However, I'm not sure it's an adequate statement of your position. I'd be happy to leave you alone if you could work your way up to just being neutral toward your fellow nationals. To at least this observer, however, you seem to actively despise them. And that bothers me. Shouldn't it? I have not, and will not, commit to any kind of allegiance to “fellow nationals” relative to others.

Needless to say, Micha, I’m happy to live in a country in which you’re free to say a thing like that.

However, I’m not sure it’s an adequate statement of your position. I’d be happy to leave you alone if you could work your way up to just being neutral toward your fellow nationals. To at least this observer, however, you seem to actively despise them. And that bothers me. Shouldn’t it?

]]> By: Mencius http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12057 Mencius Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:09:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12057 <i>I have not, and will not, commit to any kind of allegiance to “fellow nationals” relative to others.</i> Needless to say, Micha, I'm happy to live in a country in which you're free to say a thing like that. However, I'm not sure it's an adequate statement of your position. I'd be happy to leave you alone if you could work your way up to just being neutral toward your fellow nationals. To at least this observer, however, you seem to actively despise them. And that bothers me. Shouldn't it? I have not, and will not, commit to any kind of allegiance to “fellow nationals” relative to others.

Needless to say, Micha, I’m happy to live in a country in which you’re free to say a thing like that.

However, I’m not sure it’s an adequate statement of your position. I’d be happy to leave you alone if you could work your way up to just being neutral toward your fellow nationals. To at least this observer, however, you seem to actively despise them. And that bothers me. Shouldn’t it?

]]> By: Mencius http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12052 Mencius Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:02:41 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12052 Micha, I suspect you'll enjoy these <a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=ms-13" rel="nofollow">moving portraits</a> of "poor undocumented workers just trying to get by." Of course, I'm sure they're just defending their community against "nativist bullies." Motivated, perhaps, by an unhealthy interest in their butts? I'm afraid your "hint" has left me quite bemused. Micha,

I suspect you’ll enjoy these moving portraits of “poor undocumented workers just trying to get by.”

Of course, I’m sure they’re just defending their community against “nativist bullies.” Motivated, perhaps, by an unhealthy interest in their butts? I’m afraid your “hint” has left me quite bemused.

]]> By: Mencius http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12056 Mencius Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:02:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12056 Micha, I suspect you'll enjoy these <a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=ms-13" rel="nofollow">moving portraits</a> of "poor undocumented workers just trying to get by." Of course, I'm sure they're just defending their community against "nativist bullies." Motivated, perhaps, by an unhealthy interest in their butts? I'm afraid your "hint" has left me quite bemused. Micha,

I suspect you’ll enjoy these moving portraits of “poor undocumented workers just trying to get by.”

Of course, I’m sure they’re just defending their community against “nativist bullies.” Motivated, perhaps, by an unhealthy interest in their butts? I’m afraid your “hint” has left me quite bemused.

]]> By: Micha Ghertner http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12051 Micha Ghertner Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:03:10 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12051 I have not, and will not, commit to any kind of allegiance to "fellow nationals" relative to others. And I see far more aggression coming from nativist bullies than poor undocumented workers just trying to get by. The foreigner presents me with positive-sum opportunities; your kind does not. Amusingly (ironically?), the ideal autarkic society of the present day conservative xenophobe reminds me an awful lot of the biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Hint: It wasn't all about the butt sex. I have not, and will not, commit to any kind of allegiance to “fellow nationals” relative to others. And I see far more aggression coming from nativist bullies than poor undocumented workers just trying to get by. The foreigner presents me with positive-sum opportunities; your kind does not.

Amusingly (ironically?), the ideal autarkic society of the present day conservative xenophobe reminds me an awful lot of the biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Hint: It wasn’t all about the butt sex.

]]> By: Micha Ghertner http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12058 Micha Ghertner Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:03:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2008/02/09/nationalist-moral-chauvinism/#comment-12058 I have not, and will not, commit to any kind of allegiance to "fellow nationals" relative to others. And I see far more aggression coming from nativist bullies than poor undocumented workers just trying to get by. The foreigner presents me with positive-sum opportunities; your kind does not. Amusingly (ironically?), the ideal autarkic society of the present day conservative xenophobe reminds me an awful lot of the biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Hint: It wasn't all about the butt sex. I have not, and will not, commit to any kind of allegiance to “fellow nationals” relative to others. And I see far more aggression coming from nativist bullies than poor undocumented workers just trying to get by. The foreigner presents me with positive-sum opportunities; your kind does not.

Amusingly (ironically?), the ideal autarkic society of the present day conservative xenophobe reminds me an awful lot of the biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Hint: It wasn’t all about the butt sex.

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