Comments on: Why is the U.S. Falling Behind in Immigration? http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/ The Sweet Release of Reason Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:45 +0000 hourly 1 By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10139 Will Wilkinson Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:11:06 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10139 Marcus, Right. So given that these countries don't have a SOMEWHAT poor country on their border, it's even MORE of a shame that our overall rates of immigration are so stingy. No? Marcus, Right. So given that these countries don’t have a SOMEWHAT poor country on their border, it’s even MORE of a shame that our overall rates of immigration are so stingy. No?

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10143 Will Wilkinson Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:11:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10143 Marcus, Right. So given that these countries don't have a SOMEWHAT poor country on their border, it's even MORE of a shame that our overall rates of immigration are so stingy. No? Marcus, Right. So given that these countries don’t have a SOMEWHAT poor country on their border, it’s even MORE of a shame that our overall rates of immigration are so stingy. No?

]]> By: marcus http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10138 marcus Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:02:37 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10138 None of the top four countries you named -- Australia, NZ, Canada, Ireland -- have a very poor country with a contiguous border. They all encourage high-skill immigration as opposed to cheap-labor immigration, and this is made easier by their physical distance from low-skill countries. Talking about "immigration", full stop, as though it was one phenomenon is misleading. None of the top four countries you named — Australia, NZ, Canada, Ireland — have a very poor country with a contiguous border. They all encourage high-skill immigration as opposed to cheap-labor immigration, and this is made easier by their physical distance from low-skill countries. Talking about “immigration”, full stop, as though it was one phenomenon is misleading.

]]> By: marcus http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10142 marcus Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:02:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10142 None of the top four countries you named -- Australia, NZ, Canada, Ireland -- have a very poor country with a contiguous border. They all encourage high-skill immigration as opposed to cheap-labor immigration, and this is made easier by their physical distance from low-skill countries. Talking about "immigration", full stop, as though it was one phenomenon is misleading. None of the top four countries you named — Australia, NZ, Canada, Ireland — have a very poor country with a contiguous border. They all encourage high-skill immigration as opposed to cheap-labor immigration, and this is made easier by their physical distance from low-skill countries. Talking about “immigration”, full stop, as though it was one phenomenon is misleading.

]]> By: Chris http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10137 Chris Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:18:28 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10137 And no hat-tip to "Terry" over at Ross' site for the idea, Will? And no hat-tip to “Terry” over at Ross’ site for the idea, Will?

]]> By: Chris http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10141 Chris Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:18:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10141 And no hat-tip to "Terry" over at Ross' site for the idea, Will? And no hat-tip to “Terry” over at Ross’ site for the idea, Will?

]]> By: Chris http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10136 Chris Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:15:35 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10136 What percentage of the number for Switzerland is guest worker? Or 2nd or later-generation non-citizen permanent resident. Does it include cross border-commuters with long-term employment in Switzerland? What percentage of the number for Switzerland is guest worker?

Or 2nd or later-generation non-citizen permanent resident.

Does it include cross border-commuters with long-term employment in Switzerland?

]]> By: Chris http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10140 Chris Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:15:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10140 What percentage of the number for Switzerland is guest worker? Or 2nd or later-generation non-citizen permanent resident. Does it include cross border-commuters with long-term employment in Switzerland? What percentage of the number for Switzerland is guest worker?

Or 2nd or later-generation non-citizen permanent resident.

Does it include cross border-commuters with long-term employment in Switzerland?

]]> By: Thomas http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10135 Thomas Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:12:26 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10135 I'm not clear on what the statistics are measuring. The EU is supposed to be a single labor market, isn't it? So shouldn't we measure the EU as a whole, rather than elements within? It's my impression that Texas and Oregon are filled with people born in other states, but they aren't considered "foreign born" for purposes of this graph. Why should people born in the UK be considered "foreign born" if they live in Ireland? Or if they move from Germany to Switzerland? I’m not clear on what the statistics are measuring. The EU is supposed to be a single labor market, isn’t it? So shouldn’t we measure the EU as a whole, rather than elements within?

It’s my impression that Texas and Oregon are filled with people born in other states, but they aren’t considered “foreign born” for purposes of this graph. Why should people born in the UK be considered “foreign born” if they live in Ireland? Or if they move from Germany to Switzerland?

]]> By: Thomas http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10145 Thomas Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:12:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10145 I'm not clear on what the statistics are measuring. The EU is supposed to be a single labor market, isn't it? So shouldn't we measure the EU as a whole, rather than elements within? It's my impression that Texas and Oregon are filled with people born in other states, but they aren't considered "foreign born" for purposes of this graph. Why should people born in the UK be considered "foreign born" if they live in Ireland? Or if they move from Germany to Switzerland? I’m not clear on what the statistics are measuring. The EU is supposed to be a single labor market, isn’t it? So shouldn’t we measure the EU as a whole, rather than elements within?

It’s my impression that Texas and Oregon are filled with people born in other states, but they aren’t considered “foreign born” for purposes of this graph. Why should people born in the UK be considered “foreign born” if they live in Ireland? Or if they move from Germany to Switzerland?

]]> By: Eunomia · Who Are We? http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10134 Eunomia · Who Are We? Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:56:12 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10134 [...] The U.S. is even more of a laggard in inflows of foreign nationals as a percentage of population. ~ Will Wilkinson [...] [...] The U.S. is even more of a laggard in inflows of foreign nationals as a percentage of population. ~ Will Wilkinson [...]

]]> By: Dwayne Stephenson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10133 Dwayne Stephenson Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:18:41 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10133 The same report notes that 1 in every 5 migrants lives in North America. I am not sure whether using percentages of immigrants in the populations of states doesn't skew the picture a certain way-I suppose it would depend on what you wanted to look at. It seems like Switzerland's relatively high immigration percentage should be considered in light of it's small native population, for instance. The general trends of migration, we should not be surprised, involve citizens of less developed nations moving to more developed ones-the reasons for this are obvious. I would have to be persuaded, however, that large immigration inflows significantly contribute to the prosperity of the countries that permit them. Why would that be the case? While it's isn't impossible, it doesn't seem self-evident. The same report notes that 1 in every 5 migrants lives in North America. I am not sure whether using percentages of immigrants in the populations of states doesn’t skew the picture a certain way-I suppose it would depend on what you wanted to look at. It seems like Switzerland’s relatively high immigration percentage should be considered in light of it’s small native population, for instance. The general trends of migration, we should not be surprised, involve citizens of less developed nations moving to more developed ones-the reasons for this are obvious. I would have to be persuaded, however, that large immigration inflows significantly contribute to the prosperity of the countries that permit them. Why would that be the case? While it’s isn’t impossible, it doesn’t seem self-evident.

]]> By: Dwayne Stephenson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10144 Dwayne Stephenson Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:18:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10144 The same report notes that 1 in every 5 migrants lives in North America. I am not sure whether using percentages of immigrants in the populations of states doesn't skew the picture a certain way-I suppose it would depend on what you wanted to look at. It seems like Switzerland's relatively high immigration percentage should be considered in light of it's small native population, for instance. The general trends of migration, we should not be surprised, involve citizens of less developed nations moving to more developed ones-the reasons for this are obvious. I would have to be persuaded, however, that large immigration inflows significantly contribute to the prosperity of the countries that permit them. Why would that be the case? While it's isn't impossible, it doesn't seem self-evident. The same report notes that 1 in every 5 migrants lives in North America. I am not sure whether using percentages of immigrants in the populations of states doesn’t skew the picture a certain way-I suppose it would depend on what you wanted to look at. It seems like Switzerland’s relatively high immigration percentage should be considered in light of it’s small native population, for instance. The general trends of migration, we should not be surprised, involve citizens of less developed nations moving to more developed ones-the reasons for this are obvious. I would have to be persuaded, however, that large immigration inflows significantly contribute to the prosperity of the countries that permit them. Why would that be the case? While it’s isn’t impossible, it doesn’t seem self-evident.

]]> By: Fey Accompli » there is a balm in Libertopia http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10132 Fey Accompli » there is a balm in Libertopia Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:35:47 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10132 [...] Will Wilkinson’s angle of the quality of life in certain countries (in reference to data collected by the UN on percentage [...] [...] Will Wilkinson’s angle of the quality of life in certain countries (in reference to data collected by the UN on percentage [...]

]]> By: Grant Gould http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10131 Grant Gould Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:18:48 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/19/why-is-the-us-falling-behind-in-immigration/#comment-10131 But "a nation of the thoroughly assimilated" just doesn't have the same ring to it. But “a nation of the thoroughly assimilated” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.

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