Comments on: Holbo on Rorty http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/ The Sweet Release of Reason Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:11:50 +0000 hourly 1 By: TestSEO http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10014 TestSEO Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:08:32 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10014 maybe you should make a decision maybe you should make a decision

]]> By: TStockmann http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10013 TStockmann Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:01:19 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10013 The question waa badly phrased, since I indicated that I objected to the psturing of the rhetoric rather than the sentiment itself, although it would be fair to observe that it is more common to object to posturing when you don't agree with the sentiment. In specific terms, the level and type of "suffering" alleviated doesn't particularly stir my sympathy, and I haven't a clue whether the complicated end result of the program would be a net positive over time even in those terms. You don't have to be hostile to the prnciple of chest-thumping appeal to end up annoyed by the thumping. Simply being unmoved by it will almost guarantee that result. The question waa badly phrased, since I indicated that I objected to the psturing of the rhetoric rather than the sentiment itself, although it would be fair to observe that it is more common to object to posturing when you don’t agree with the sentiment.

In specific terms, the level and type of “suffering” alleviated doesn’t particularly stir my sympathy, and I haven’t a clue whether the complicated end result of the program would be a net positive over time even in those terms. You don’t have to be hostile to the prnciple of chest-thumping appeal to end up annoyed by the thumping. Simply being unmoved by it will almost guarantee that result.

]]> By: TStockmann http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10017 TStockmann Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:01:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10017 The question waa badly phrased, since I indicated that I objected to the psturing of the rhetoric rather than the sentiment itself, although it would be fair to observe that it is more common to object to posturing when you don't agree with the sentiment. In specific terms, the level and type of "suffering" alleviated doesn't particularly stir my sympathy, and I haven't a clue whether the complicated end result of the program would be a net positive over time even in those terms. You don't have to be hostile to the prnciple of chest-thumping appeal to end up annoyed by the thumping. Simply being unmoved by it will almost guarantee that result. The question waa badly phrased, since I indicated that I objected to the psturing of the rhetoric rather than the sentiment itself, although it would be fair to observe that it is more common to object to posturing when you don’t agree with the sentiment.

In specific terms, the level and type of “suffering” alleviated doesn’t particularly stir my sympathy, and I haven’t a clue whether the complicated end result of the program would be a net positive over time even in those terms. You don’t have to be hostile to the prnciple of chest-thumping appeal to end up annoyed by the thumping. Simply being unmoved by it will almost guarantee that result.

]]> By: Larry Hardesty http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10012 Larry Hardesty Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:19:40 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10012 "And he effectively reduced suffering by arguing for his political ideals in such a painfully narcissistic and completely ineffectual fashion that they never actually affected the world" That sounds like a plausible claim, given the arguments themselves. But it does make you wonder why 1,500 Iranians attended his lecture in Tehran. “And he effectively reduced suffering by arguing for his political ideals in such a painfully narcissistic and completely ineffectual fashion that they never actually affected the world”

That sounds like a plausible claim, given the arguments themselves. But it does make you wonder why 1,500 Iranians attended his lecture in Tehran.

]]> By: Larry Hardesty http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10020 Larry Hardesty Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:19:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10020 "And he effectively reduced suffering by arguing for his political ideals in such a painfully narcissistic and completely ineffectual fashion that they never actually affected the world" That sounds like a plausible claim, given the arguments themselves. But it does make you wonder why 1,500 Iranians attended his lecture in Tehran. “And he effectively reduced suffering by arguing for his political ideals in such a painfully narcissistic and completely ineffectual fashion that they never actually affected the world”

That sounds like a plausible claim, given the arguments themselves. But it does make you wonder why 1,500 Iranians attended his lecture in Tehran.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10011 Will Wilkinson Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:22:55 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10011 If it is inconvenient for you to answer my question, I understand. If it is inconvenient for you to answer my question, I understand.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10018 Will Wilkinson Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:22:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10018 If it is inconvenient for you to answer my question, I understand. If it is inconvenient for you to answer my question, I understand.

]]> By: TStockmann http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10010 TStockmann Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:59:38 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10010 Hardly an exhaustive set of choices. Another possible alternative: that an involuntary collective like a nation can't have a moral interest in promoting the wellbeing of nonmembers. But I propose that simply for illustrative purposes. Your first alternative is interesting in that it establishes whether I can be placed within your hortatory narrative, to use Rorty's approach. Hardly an exhaustive set of choices. Another possible alternative: that an involuntary collective like a nation can’t have a moral interest in promoting the wellbeing of nonmembers. But I propose that simply for illustrative purposes. Your first alternative is interesting in that it establishes whether I can be placed within your hortatory narrative, to use Rorty’s approach.

]]> By: TStockmann http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10021 TStockmann Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:59:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10021 Hardly an exhaustive set of choices. Another possible alternative: that an involuntary collective like a nation can't have a moral interest in promoting the wellbeing of nonmembers. But I propose that simply for illustrative purposes. Your first alternative is interesting in that it establishes whether I can be placed within your hortatory narrative, to use Rorty's approach. Hardly an exhaustive set of choices. Another possible alternative: that an involuntary collective like a nation can’t have a moral interest in promoting the wellbeing of nonmembers. But I propose that simply for illustrative purposes. Your first alternative is interesting in that it establishes whether I can be placed within your hortatory narrative, to use Rorty’s approach.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10009 Will Wilkinson Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:31:12 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2007/06/13/holbo-on-rorty/#comment-10009 So you don't think Pritchett's plan would help end suffering? Or you do, and this bothers you? So you don’t think Pritchett’s plan would help end suffering? Or you do, and this bothers you?

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