Comments on: The Great Chain of Status? http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/31/the-great-chain-of-status/ The Sweet Release of Reason Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:11:50 +0000 hourly 1 By: Positive Liberty » The Great Chain of Something or Other http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/31/the-great-chain-of-status/#comment-9288 Positive Liberty » The Great Chain of Something or Other Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:32:32 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/31/the-great-chain-of-status/#comment-9288 [...] I were to play devil’s advocate, I might start with an observation that Will himself made a few years ago. There are more — and more diverse — status hierarchies than ever before. Each entails [...] [...] I were to play devil’s advocate, I might start with an observation that Will himself made a few years ago. There are more — and more diverse — status hierarchies than ever before. Each entails [...]

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]]> By: dik http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/31/the-great-chain-of-status/#comment-9283 dik Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:37:03 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/31/the-great-chain-of-status/#comment-9283 hey will, i heard about this post sequence so i figured i'd check it out. so here's the thing: isn't there a difference between status and self-image? status is bound to the opinion of others. you recognize this to the extent that you group people into communities (bloggers, libertarian bloggers etc) to give meaning to the term . i agree that people can raise their self-perceived status by surrounding themselves by a community that is most likely to appreciate their personality, assets, skills, whatever. but people aren't restricted to a selected community, and as you scale out, people are still evaluated by the larger community, and status still emerges from that. true, in a society of, say, 300 million people, the system by which status is determined is likely to be quite complex (as is the economy or other social systems). but just because you can't easily determine the relative status of two individuals doesn't mean that the larger system doesn't exist... true, as michael sullivan points out, wealth is often used as a proxy for status. of course, as with any proxy it has problems. but also, it is wealth that might help improve individual circumstances and self-image or health/enjoyment. but it is relative wealth that proxies for status. obviously, it's not a perfect metric because it is a simple proxy for an extremely complex problem. but absolute wealth and relatively wealth are non-zero sum and zero-sum measures that might parallel phenomena you discuss as self-image (bolstered by small communities) and status (that scales to different communities). hey will,
i heard about this post sequence so i figured i’d check it out. so here’s the thing: isn’t there a difference between status and self-image? status is bound to the opinion of others. you recognize this to the extent that you group people into communities (bloggers, libertarian bloggers etc) to give meaning to the term . i agree that people can raise their self-perceived status by surrounding themselves by a community that is most likely to appreciate their personality, assets, skills, whatever. but people aren’t restricted to a selected community, and as you scale out, people are still evaluated by the larger community, and status still emerges from that. true, in a society of, say, 300 million people, the system by which status is determined is likely to be quite complex (as is the economy or other social systems). but just because you can’t easily determine the relative status of two individuals doesn’t mean that the larger system doesn’t exist… true, as michael sullivan points out, wealth is often used as a proxy for status. of course, as with any proxy it has problems. but also, it is wealth that might help improve individual circumstances and self-image or health/enjoyment. but it is relative wealth that proxies for status. obviously, it’s not a perfect metric because it is a simple proxy for an extremely complex problem. but absolute wealth and relatively wealth are non-zero sum and zero-sum measures that might parallel phenomena you discuss as self-image (bolstered by small communities) and status (that scales to different communities).

]]> By: dik http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/31/the-great-chain-of-status/#comment-9294 dik Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:37:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/31/the-great-chain-of-status/#comment-9294 hey will, i heard about this post sequence so i figured i'd check it out. so here's the thing: isn't there a difference between status and self-image? status is bound to the opinion of others. you recognize this to the extent that you group people into communities (bloggers, libertarian bloggers etc) to give meaning to the term . i agree that people can raise their self-perceived status by surrounding themselves by a community that is most likely to appreciate their personality, assets, skills, whatever. but people aren't restricted to a selected community, and as you scale out, people are still evaluated by the larger community, and status still emerges from that. true, in a society of, say, 300 million people, the system by which status is determined is likely to be quite complex (as is the economy or other social systems). but just because you can't easily determine the relative status of two individuals doesn't mean that the larger system doesn't exist... true, as michael sullivan points out, wealth is often used as a proxy for status. of course, as with any proxy it has problems. but also, it is wealth that might help improve individual circumstances and self-image or health/enjoyment. but it is relative wealth that proxies for status. obviously, it's not a perfect metric because it is a simple proxy for an extremely complex problem. but absolute wealth and relatively wealth are non-zero sum and zero-sum measures that might parallel phenomena you discuss as self-image (bolstered by small communities) and status (that scales to different communities). hey will,
i heard about this post sequence so i figured i’d check it out. so here’s the thing: isn’t there a difference between status and self-image? status is bound to the opinion of others. you recognize this to the extent that you group people into communities (bloggers, libertarian bloggers etc) to give meaning to the term . i agree that people can raise their self-perceived status by surrounding themselves by a community that is most likely to appreciate their personality, assets, skills, whatever. but people aren’t restricted to a selected community, and as you scale out, people are still evaluated by the larger community, and status still emerges from that. true, in a society of, say, 300 million people, the system by which status is determined is likely to be quite complex (as is the economy or other social systems). but just because you can’t easily determine the relative status of two individuals doesn’t mean that the larger system doesn’t exist… true, as michael sullivan points out, wealth is often used as a proxy for status. of course, as with any proxy it has problems. but also, it is wealth that might help improve individual circumstances and self-image or health/enjoyment. but it is relative wealth that proxies for status. obviously, it’s not a perfect metric because it is a simple proxy for an extremely complex problem. but absolute wealth and relatively wealth are non-zero sum and zero-sum measures that might parallel phenomena you discuss as self-image (bolstered by small communities) and status (that scales to different communities).

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