Comments on: Fallacy Nomination: The United Nations Fallacy http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/ The Sweet Release of Reason Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:45 +0000 hourly 1 By: Looking at India’s “Deep North” – Part I » Gene Expression http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9255 Looking at India’s “Deep North” – Part I » Gene Expression Mon, 30 Aug 2010 06:49:37 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9255 [...] Wilkinson has dubbed a related phenomenon the “UN Fallacy” — the error of assuming that two areas can be usefully compared simply because they are [...] [...] Wilkinson has dubbed a related phenomenon the “UN Fallacy” — the error of assuming that two areas can be usefully compared simply because they are [...]

]]> By: Return of the Polis – The Blag Switch http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9254 Return of the Polis – The Blag Switch Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:39:23 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9254 [...] fiscal policies in the World News. This, to me, seems like the interesting contra-positive to the U. N. Fallacy. Namely, the role of alpha cities on the world stage is downplayed simply because they aren’t [...] [...] fiscal policies in the World News. This, to me, seems like the interesting contra-positive to the U. N. Fallacy. Namely, the role of alpha cities on the world stage is downplayed simply because they aren’t [...]

]]> By: Literacy, sure, but what else have the Communists done for us? « Entitled to an Opinion http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9253 Literacy, sure, but what else have the Communists done for us? « Entitled to an Opinion Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:24:06 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9253 [...] by teageegeepea under Uncategorized Leave a Comment  What Will Wilkinson calls the “United Nations fallacy” sometimes distracts us from the variation within nations. One of the largest nations is [...] [...] by teageegeepea under Uncategorized Leave a Comment  What Will Wilkinson calls the “United Nations fallacy” sometimes distracts us from the variation within nations. One of the largest nations is [...]

]]> By: Sen on the U.N. Fallacy http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9252 Sen on the U.N. Fallacy Sun, 14 Feb 2010 22:44:08 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9252 [...] like to call Sen’s “tyranny of idea” the United Nations Fallacy. I’m delighted to see him ride one of my [...] [...] like to call Sen’s “tyranny of idea” the United Nations Fallacy. I’m delighted to see him ride one of my [...]

]]> By: Kerry Howley » Blog Archive » Is Singapore Insufficiently Tribalistic? http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9251 Kerry Howley » Blog Archive » Is Singapore Insufficiently Tribalistic? Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:25:11 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9251 [...] seems like a good time to revisit the United Nations fallacy–the idea that two or more political jurisdictions may be usefully compared along any [...] [...] seems like a good time to revisit the United Nations fallacy–the idea that two or more political jurisdictions may be usefully compared along any [...]

]]> By: Septentrionalis http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9250 Septentrionalis Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:55:57 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9250 So tell me, what's the trade balance for Iowa, or for Osaka? Please include capital flows. That's why comparing things at the nation-state level makes sense; despite the BEA's best efforts, it's the smallest unit for which we have estimates that are worth the electrons they're posted with. So tell me, what’s the trade balance for Iowa, or for Osaka? Please include capital flows.

That’s why comparing things at the nation-state level makes sense; despite the BEA’s best efforts, it’s the smallest unit for which we have estimates that are worth the electrons they’re posted with.

]]> By: Septentrionalis http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9277 Septentrionalis Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:55:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9277 So tell me, what's the trade balance for Iowa, or for Osaka? Please include capital flows. That's why comparing things at the nation-state level makes sense; despite the BEA's best efforts, it's the smallest unit for which we have estimates that are worth the electrons they're posted with. So tell me, what’s the trade balance for Iowa, or for Osaka? Please include capital flows.

That’s why comparing things at the nation-state level makes sense; despite the BEA’s best efforts, it’s the smallest unit for which we have estimates that are worth the electrons they’re posted with.

]]> By: TP http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9249 TP Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:11:12 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9249 A map of what the UN Fallacy might look like if all US states were nation-states: http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2007/01/countries_gdp_a.html A map of what the UN Fallacy might look like if all US states were nation-states:

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2007/01/countries_gdp_a.html

]]> By: TP http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9276 TP Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:11:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9276 A map of what the UN Fallacy might look like if all US states were nation-states: http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2007/01/countries_gdp_a.html A map of what the UN Fallacy might look like if all US states were nation-states:

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2007/01/countries_gdp_a.html

]]> By: Sean http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9248 Sean Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:05:19 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9248 Contrary to the excerpts below, as far as i know there is no consensus or convincing evidence of 'convergence' between better- and worse-off countries: this is still a debate in macroeconomics is it not? [Note that if you assume poorer countries have growth rates higher than richer ones in proportion to the gap then convergence is inevitable - albeit that the time period depends on the extent of the difference in initial levels and rates] "Er, are we supposed to draw any kind of lessons from the fact that relatively undeveloped countries have higher growth rates than developed countries? OF COURSE they do. And 10 year olds grow faster than 40 year olds. Why is this supposed to be surprising or interesting?" "Economies grow fastest when they SUCK." Contrary to the excerpts below, as far as i know there is no consensus or convincing evidence of ‘convergence’ between better- and worse-off countries: this is still a debate in macroeconomics is it not? [Note that if you assume poorer countries have growth rates higher than richer ones in proportion to the gap then convergence is inevitable - albeit that the time period depends on the extent of the difference in initial levels and rates]

“Er, are we supposed to draw any kind of lessons from the fact that relatively undeveloped countries have higher growth rates than developed countries? OF COURSE they do. And 10 year olds grow faster than 40 year olds. Why is this supposed to be surprising or interesting?”

“Economies grow fastest when they SUCK.”

]]> By: Sean http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9275 Sean Sat, 09 Dec 2006 11:05:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9275 Contrary to the excerpts below, as far as i know there is no consensus or convincing evidence of 'convergence' between better- and worse-off countries: this is still a debate in macroeconomics is it not? [Note that if you assume poorer countries have growth rates higher than richer ones in proportion to the gap then convergence is inevitable - albeit that the time period depends on the extent of the difference in initial levels and rates] "Er, are we supposed to draw any kind of lessons from the fact that relatively undeveloped countries have higher growth rates than developed countries? OF COURSE they do. And 10 year olds grow faster than 40 year olds. Why is this supposed to be surprising or interesting?" "Economies grow fastest when they SUCK." Contrary to the excerpts below, as far as i know there is no consensus or convincing evidence of ‘convergence’ between better- and worse-off countries: this is still a debate in macroeconomics is it not? [Note that if you assume poorer countries have growth rates higher than richer ones in proportion to the gap then convergence is inevitable - albeit that the time period depends on the extent of the difference in initial levels and rates]

“Er, are we supposed to draw any kind of lessons from the fact that relatively undeveloped countries have higher growth rates than developed countries? OF COURSE they do. And 10 year olds grow faster than 40 year olds. Why is this supposed to be surprising or interesting?”

“Economies grow fastest when they SUCK.”

]]> By: xorgnz http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9247 xorgnz Sun, 03 Dec 2006 02:07:13 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9247 Interesting. Sounds like a variant on the general appeal to authority fallacy, I guess.. Members of a class C can be meaningfully compared based on class-common criteria. Body X identifies group A as a member of class C. Body X identifies group B as a member of class C. Ergo, A and B can be compared on class-common criteria. Such a common fallacy, though - appears in status evaluation, too.. Person A judges person B's status based on person A's status criteria. Person A assumes that personal status criteria, or personal perception of 'absolute' criteria (so, 50s high school stereotypes). Fallacy is that person A appeals to own authority, or to perceived zeitgeist authority. Interesting. Sounds like a variant on the general appeal to authority fallacy, I guess..

Members of a class C can be meaningfully compared based on class-common criteria.
Body X identifies group A as a member of class C.
Body X identifies group B as a member of class C.

Ergo, A and B can be compared on class-common criteria.

Such a common fallacy, though – appears in status evaluation, too..

Person A judges person B’s status based on person A’s status criteria.
Person A assumes that personal status criteria, or personal perception of ‘absolute’ criteria (so, 50s high school stereotypes).

Fallacy is that person A appeals to own authority, or to perceived zeitgeist authority.

]]> By: xorgnz http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9274 xorgnz Sun, 03 Dec 2006 02:07:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9274 Interesting. Sounds like a variant on the general appeal to authority fallacy, I guess.. Members of a class C can be meaningfully compared based on class-common criteria. Body X identifies group A as a member of class C. Body X identifies group B as a member of class C. Ergo, A and B can be compared on class-common criteria. Such a common fallacy, though - appears in status evaluation, too.. Person A judges person B's status based on person A's status criteria. Person A assumes that personal status criteria, or personal perception of 'absolute' criteria (so, 50s high school stereotypes). Fallacy is that person A appeals to own authority, or to perceived zeitgeist authority. Interesting. Sounds like a variant on the general appeal to authority fallacy, I guess..

Members of a class C can be meaningfully compared based on class-common criteria.
Body X identifies group A as a member of class C.
Body X identifies group B as a member of class C.

Ergo, A and B can be compared on class-common criteria.

Such a common fallacy, though – appears in status evaluation, too..

Person A judges person B’s status based on person A’s status criteria.
Person A assumes that personal status criteria, or personal perception of ‘absolute’ criteria (so, 50s high school stereotypes).

Fallacy is that person A appeals to own authority, or to perceived zeitgeist authority.

]]> By: monkyboy http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9246 monkyboy Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:59:45 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9246 Caliban, That sounds more like a faith-based affirmation than an argument based on facts. China's economy doesn't "suck," these days. They are exporting products like cars and electronics now... ...and without constant loans from China, America's economy would collapse. Caliban,

That sounds more like a faith-based affirmation than an argument based on facts.

China’s economy doesn’t “suck,” these days.

They are exporting products like cars and electronics now…

…and without constant loans from China, America’s economy would collapse.

]]> By: monkyboy http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9273 monkyboy Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:59:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/10/26/fallacy-nomination-the-united-nations-fallacy/#comment-9273 Caliban, That sounds more like a faith-based affirmation than an argument based on facts. China's economy doesn't "suck," these days. They are exporting products like cars and electronics now... ...and without constant loans from China, America's economy would collapse. Caliban,

That sounds more like a faith-based affirmation than an argument based on facts.

China’s economy doesn’t “suck,” these days.

They are exporting products like cars and electronics now…

…and without constant loans from China, America’s economy would collapse.

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