Comments on: On the Libertarian Vice http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/ The Sweet Release of Reason Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:45 +0000 hourly 1 By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8689 Will Wilkinson Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:06:42 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8689 So subtle that even I cannot always fathom its subtle subtleness. But then, I can't actually read. So subtle that even I cannot always fathom its subtle subtleness. But then, I can’t actually read.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8709 Will Wilkinson Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:06:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8709 So subtle that even I cannot always fathom its subtle subtleness. But then, I can't actually read. So subtle that even I cannot always fathom its subtle subtleness. But then, I can’t actually read.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8710 Will Wilkinson Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:06:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8710 So subtle that even I cannot always fathom its subtle subtleness. But then, I can't actually read. So subtle that even I cannot always fathom its subtle subtleness. But then, I can’t actually read.

]]> By: Tim http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8688 Tim Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:03:51 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8688 Will, your writing is just too subtle for some of us! Will, your writing is just too subtle for some of us!

]]> By: Tim http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8707 Tim Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:03:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8707 Will, your writing is just too subtle for some of us! Will, your writing is just too subtle for some of us!

]]> By: Tim http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8708 Tim Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:03:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8708 Will, your writing is just too subtle for some of us! Will, your writing is just too subtle for some of us!

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8687 Will Wilkinson Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:26:42 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8687 Tim, I agree with Glen, too. That has nothing to do with seeming as though you are protesting too much, now does it? It is also true that I AM NOT GAY! Really. I'm not. I have had lots of girlfriends. I mean, this is really true, and I can give you more proof if you want it. Anyway, I thought it was pretty clear that I was attempting to be cleverly semi-ironic with the bit about the strategic utility of "visibly aggravating your libertarian comrades," which I anticipated would forestall visible aggravation, but apparently not. Thank you all, and I look forward to your further aggravation. Tim, I agree with Glen, too. That has nothing to do with seeming as though you are protesting too much, now does it? It is also true that I AM NOT GAY! Really. I’m not. I have had lots of girlfriends. I mean, this is really true, and I can give you more proof if you want it.

Anyway, I thought it was pretty clear that I was attempting to be cleverly semi-ironic with the bit about the strategic utility of “visibly aggravating your libertarian comrades,” which I anticipated would forestall visible aggravation, but apparently not. Thank you all, and I look forward to your further aggravation.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8705 Will Wilkinson Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:26:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8705 Tim, I agree with Glen, too. That has nothing to do with seeming as though you are protesting too much, now does it? It is also true that I AM NOT GAY! Really. I'm not. I have had lots of girlfriends. I mean, this is really true, and I can give you more proof if you want it. Anyway, I thought it was pretty clear that I was attempting to be cleverly semi-ironic with the bit about the strategic utility of "visibly aggravating your libertarian comrades," which I anticipated would forestall visible aggravation, but apparently not. Thank you all, and I look forward to your further aggravation. Tim, I agree with Glen, too. That has nothing to do with seeming as though you are protesting too much, now does it? It is also true that I AM NOT GAY! Really. I’m not. I have had lots of girlfriends. I mean, this is really true, and I can give you more proof if you want it.

Anyway, I thought it was pretty clear that I was attempting to be cleverly semi-ironic with the bit about the strategic utility of “visibly aggravating your libertarian comrades,” which I anticipated would forestall visible aggravation, but apparently not. Thank you all, and I look forward to your further aggravation.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8706 Will Wilkinson Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:26:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8706 Tim, I agree with Glen, too. That has nothing to do with seeming as though you are protesting too much, now does it? It is also true that I AM NOT GAY! Really. I'm not. I have had lots of girlfriends. I mean, this is really true, and I can give you more proof if you want it. Anyway, I thought it was pretty clear that I was attempting to be cleverly semi-ironic with the bit about the strategic utility of "visibly aggravating your libertarian comrades," which I anticipated would forestall visible aggravation, but apparently not. Thank you all, and I look forward to your further aggravation. Tim, I agree with Glen, too. That has nothing to do with seeming as though you are protesting too much, now does it? It is also true that I AM NOT GAY! Really. I’m not. I have had lots of girlfriends. I mean, this is really true, and I can give you more proof if you want it.

Anyway, I thought it was pretty clear that I was attempting to be cleverly semi-ironic with the bit about the strategic utility of “visibly aggravating your libertarian comrades,” which I anticipated would forestall visible aggravation, but apparently not. Thank you all, and I look forward to your further aggravation.

]]> By: Tim http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8686 Tim Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:59:29 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8686 Will, I agree with Glen. The libertarian vice is certainly a real phenomenon, and we'd all do well to be aware of it. But Tyler did a piss-poor job of explaining how Alex or Glen were guilty of it. The alternative that Alex and Glen had on offer was for United States government to do nothing. When we're choosing between starting a war or doing nothing, surely it's not an example of the libertarian vice to point out that government programs rarely work as well as their initiators expect? Will,

I agree with Glen. The libertarian vice is certainly a real phenomenon, and we’d all do well to be aware of it. But Tyler did a piss-poor job of explaining how Alex or Glen were guilty of it. The alternative that Alex and Glen had on offer was for United States government to do nothing. When we’re choosing between starting a war or doing nothing, surely it’s not an example of the libertarian vice to point out that government programs rarely work as well as their initiators expect?

]]> By: Tim http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8704 Tim Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:59:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8704 Will, I agree with Glen. The libertarian vice is certainly a real phenomenon, and we'd all do well to be aware of it. But Tyler did a piss-poor job of explaining how Alex or Glen were guilty of it. The alternative that Alex and Glen had on offer was for United States government to do nothing. When we're choosing between starting a war or doing nothing, surely it's not an example of the libertarian vice to point out that government programs rarely work as well as their initiators expect? Will,

I agree with Glen. The libertarian vice is certainly a real phenomenon, and we’d all do well to be aware of it. But Tyler did a piss-poor job of explaining how Alex or Glen were guilty of it. The alternative that Alex and Glen had on offer was for United States government to do nothing. When we’re choosing between starting a war or doing nothing, surely it’s not an example of the libertarian vice to point out that government programs rarely work as well as their initiators expect?

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8685 Will Wilkinson Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:20:02 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8685 John, I was thinking about supporting policies more than politicians. Yeah, I mentioned at the beginning that the deontic theory of rights has a good claim as being THE libertarian theory, and doesn't care about cosequences at all. And that I don't believe in it. John,

I was thinking about supporting policies more than politicians.

Yeah, I mentioned at the beginning that the deontic theory of rights has a good claim as being THE libertarian theory, and doesn’t care about cosequences at all. And that I don’t believe in it.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8702 Will Wilkinson Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:20:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8702 John, I was thinking about supporting policies more than politicians. Yeah, I mentioned at the beginning that the deontic theory of rights has a good claim as being THE libertarian theory, and doesn't care about cosequences at all. And that I don't believe in it. John,

I was thinking about supporting policies more than politicians.

Yeah, I mentioned at the beginning that the deontic theory of rights has a good claim as being THE libertarian theory, and doesn’t care about cosequences at all. And that I don’t believe in it.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8703 Will Wilkinson Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:20:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8703 John, I was thinking about supporting policies more than politicians. Yeah, I mentioned at the beginning that the deontic theory of rights has a good claim as being THE libertarian theory, and doesn't care about cosequences at all. And that I don't believe in it. John,

I was thinking about supporting policies more than politicians.

Yeah, I mentioned at the beginning that the deontic theory of rights has a good claim as being THE libertarian theory, and doesn’t care about cosequences at all. And that I don’t believe in it.

]]> By: John T. Kennedy http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8684 John T. Kennedy Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:47:09 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/08/12/on-the-libertarian-vice/#comment-8684 <i>"If nothing else, Tyler’s post is cagey piece of strategic rhetoric that signals to egalitarian liberals a good faith willingness to actually having a debate without pointlessly pulling out ideological trump cards and declaring victory, and a related commitment to non-utopian policy—to endorsing the best option in the politically feasible set."</i> Sure, like Bush or Kerry. That's cagey all right. <i>"I’ve met more than a few libertarians who will not only endorse B for the purpose of very slightly increasing the the low probablity of C, but on the basis of a truly fantastic conception of a possible path from B all the way through the alphabet to N, libertarian nirvana. But by the time you get only a few steps into the future, the probability is basically zero, in which case supporting B on the prospect of its leading to N is surely a form of addlepated utopianism."</i> Can't A just be wrong no matter how much you like the result? “If nothing else, Tyler’s post is cagey piece of strategic rhetoric that signals to egalitarian liberals a good faith willingness to actually having a debate without pointlessly pulling out ideological trump cards and declaring victory, and a related commitment to non-utopian policy—to endorsing the best option in the politically feasible set.”

Sure, like Bush or Kerry. That’s cagey all right.

“I’ve met more than a few libertarians who will not only endorse B for the purpose of very slightly increasing the the low probablity of C, but on the basis of a truly fantastic conception of a possible path from B all the way through the alphabet to N, libertarian nirvana. But by the time you get only a few steps into the future, the probability is basically zero, in which case supporting B on the prospect of its leading to N is surely a form of addlepated utopianism.”

Can’t A just be wrong no matter how much you like the result?

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