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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/04/18/class-education-and-meaning-manufacture/#comment-8212</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 13:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Kim...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/04/18/class-education-and-meaning-manufacture/#comment-8211</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 13:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Kim...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/04/18/class-education-and-meaning-manufacture/#comment-8210</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure that at least some of you will think that I&#039;m splitting hairs...but I think we&#039;re now discussing the difference between creativity and inspiration. Who was more creative; the ancient Greek dude who actually invented the steam engine, or James Watt who changed the world with it? I would say that Will&#039;s art teacher couldn&#039;t have taught him to be creative but inspired him by showing the limitless possibilities of his own creativity.
If inspiration  equals &#039;taught creativity&#039;, then I would agree that the wealthy children would be more creative. However, I think that the amount of raw creativity is comparable across social lines.... and I believe that most kids can be inspired to creativity if the right people take the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that at least some of you will think that I&#8217;m splitting hairs&#8230;but I think we&#8217;re now discussing the difference between creativity and inspiration. Who was more creative; the ancient Greek dude who actually invented the steam engine, or James Watt who changed the world with it? I would say that Will&#8217;s art teacher couldn&#8217;t have taught him to be creative but inspired him by showing the limitless possibilities of his own creativity.<br />
If inspiration  equals &#8216;taught creativity&#8217;, then I would agree that the wealthy children would be more creative. However, I think that the amount of raw creativity is comparable across social lines&#8230;. and I believe that most kids can be inspired to creativity if the right people take the time.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/04/18/class-education-and-meaning-manufacture/#comment-8233</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure that at least some of you will think that I&#039;m splitting hairs...but I think we&#039;re now discussing the difference between creativity and inspiration. Who was more creative; the ancient Greek dude who actually invented the steam engine, or James Watt who changed the world with it? I would say that Will&#039;s art teacher couldn&#039;t have taught him to be creative but inspired him by showing the limitless possibilities of his own creativity.
If inspiration  equals &#039;taught creativity&#039;, then I would agree that the wealthy children would be more creative. However, I think that the amount of raw creativity is comparable across social lines.... and I believe that most kids can be inspired to creativity if the right people take the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that at least some of you will think that I&#8217;m splitting hairs&#8230;but I think we&#8217;re now discussing the difference between creativity and inspiration. Who was more creative; the ancient Greek dude who actually invented the steam engine, or James Watt who changed the world with it? I would say that Will&#8217;s art teacher couldn&#8217;t have taught him to be creative but inspired him by showing the limitless possibilities of his own creativity.<br />
If inspiration  equals &#8216;taught creativity&#8217;, then I would agree that the wealthy children would be more creative. However, I think that the amount of raw creativity is comparable across social lines&#8230;. and I believe that most kids can be inspired to creativity if the right people take the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/04/18/class-education-and-meaning-manufacture/#comment-8209</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished it too and enjoyed it enormously. I really can&#039;t understand Eric&#039;s take above

&lt;i&gt;elite children are treated much more as people&lt;/i&gt;

How, exactly, does being treated as someone else&#039;s project amount to being treated more as a person?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished it too and enjoyed it enormously. I really can&#8217;t understand Eric&#8217;s take above</p>
<p><i>elite children are treated much more as people</i></p>
<p>How, exactly, does being treated as someone else&#8217;s project amount to being treated more as a person?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bertram</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/04/18/class-education-and-meaning-manufacture/#comment-8213</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bertram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished it too and enjoyed it enormously. I really can&#039;t understand Eric&#039;s take above

&lt;i&gt;elite children are treated much more as people&lt;/i&gt;

How, exactly, does being treated as someone else&#039;s project amount to being treated more as a person?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished it too and enjoyed it enormously. I really can&#8217;t understand Eric&#8217;s take above</p>
<p><i>elite children are treated much more as people</i></p>
<p>How, exactly, does being treated as someone else&#8217;s project amount to being treated more as a person?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/04/18/class-education-and-meaning-manufacture/#comment-8208</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  I work in middle manaagement and I wouldn&#039;t wish it on my worst enemy.  The office work is no better and sometimes worse than being an auto worker.  Auto workers make similar money, have better benefits, and do not have to pay back tens of thousands of dollars in student loans.  I don&#039;t know what the answer is, but there has to be something better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I work in middle manaagement and I wouldn&#8217;t wish it on my worst enemy.  The office work is no better and sometimes worse than being an auto worker.  Auto workers make similar money, have better benefits, and do not have to pay back tens of thousands of dollars in student loans.  I don&#8217;t know what the answer is, but there has to be something better.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/04/18/class-education-and-meaning-manufacture/#comment-8232</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  I work in middle manaagement and I wouldn&#039;t wish it on my worst enemy.  The office work is no better and sometimes worse than being an auto worker.  Auto workers make similar money, have better benefits, and do not have to pay back tens of thousands of dollars in student loans.  I don&#039;t know what the answer is, but there has to be something better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  I work in middle manaagement and I wouldn&#8217;t wish it on my worst enemy.  The office work is no better and sometimes worse than being an auto worker.  Auto workers make similar money, have better benefits, and do not have to pay back tens of thousands of dollars in student loans.  I don&#8217;t know what the answer is, but there has to be something better.</p>
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		<title>By: R.J. Lehmann</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/04/18/class-education-and-meaning-manufacture/#comment-8207</link>
		<dc:creator>R.J. Lehmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If everyone CAN become more creative, and moreover, everyone DID become more creative, then wouldn&#039;t that suggest the marginal returns from such training would slope sharply downward as the supply of creative product grew?

I know you&#039;re not solely focused here on artisitc creativity, but taking that as an example, the trends in that arena have all been running directly counter to what you suggest. As technology has allowed the cost barriers to entry in so many artistic fields -- from filmmaking to publishing to music recording -- to drop precipitously, public demand is not nearly keeping pace with the explosion of supply. This has a depressing effect on the profits and wages artistic entrepreneurs can capture across the board. A certain cream may always rise, but marginal artist is giving way in many more areas than ever before to the unpaid amateur. I know I find a lot more enjoyment out of YouTube than I do the whole mass of 600 channels I get through digital cable.

And I&#039;m not as sure as you are that the process of &quot;making&quot; carries over so neatly into the world of entrepreneurship. The first distinction I&#039;d make is in the focus of the entrepreneur rather than the artist. It is less important to &quot;create&quot; than to &quot;create &lt;i&gt;that which other people NEED&lt;/i&gt;.&quot; Moreover, the conventional wisdom, and I&#039;m inclined to agree with it, is that developing the great idea, the killer ap, the visionary business model...is the EASY part. Executing it, convincing others to sign on to your vision, navigating how to deliver that product or service to those who would most value it, learning from your mistakes, spotting and adapting to changes in the market -- THOSE are the hard parts.

And most of those things have to do with social dynamics, the ability to read people, to manage expectations, to play politics, the willingness to humble oneself (or to engage in blatant self-promotion) when necessary, and so on.

Some of those things can be taught. Most of them, though, are honed over time through social interraction. Which is why, though I have no philosophical objection to home-schooling, I just can&#039;t help but feel whenever I hear parents or would-be parents talking about it, that they seem to be missing what exactly what is most important about what kids learn in school. There is no class more important than recess, because the lessons you learn on the playground will take you a lot further than any curriculum, no matter what its substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everyone CAN become more creative, and moreover, everyone DID become more creative, then wouldn&#8217;t that suggest the marginal returns from such training would slope sharply downward as the supply of creative product grew?</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;re not solely focused here on artisitc creativity, but taking that as an example, the trends in that arena have all been running directly counter to what you suggest. As technology has allowed the cost barriers to entry in so many artistic fields &#8212; from filmmaking to publishing to music recording &#8212; to drop precipitously, public demand is not nearly keeping pace with the explosion of supply. This has a depressing effect on the profits and wages artistic entrepreneurs can capture across the board. A certain cream may always rise, but marginal artist is giving way in many more areas than ever before to the unpaid amateur. I know I find a lot more enjoyment out of YouTube than I do the whole mass of 600 channels I get through digital cable.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not as sure as you are that the process of &#8220;making&#8221; carries over so neatly into the world of entrepreneurship. The first distinction I&#8217;d make is in the focus of the entrepreneur rather than the artist. It is less important to &#8220;create&#8221; than to &#8220;create <i>that which other people NEED</i>.&#8221; Moreover, the conventional wisdom, and I&#8217;m inclined to agree with it, is that developing the great idea, the killer ap, the visionary business model&#8230;is the EASY part. Executing it, convincing others to sign on to your vision, navigating how to deliver that product or service to those who would most value it, learning from your mistakes, spotting and adapting to changes in the market &#8212; THOSE are the hard parts.</p>
<p>And most of those things have to do with social dynamics, the ability to read people, to manage expectations, to play politics, the willingness to humble oneself (or to engage in blatant self-promotion) when necessary, and so on.</p>
<p>Some of those things can be taught. Most of them, though, are honed over time through social interraction. Which is why, though I have no philosophical objection to home-schooling, I just can&#8217;t help but feel whenever I hear parents or would-be parents talking about it, that they seem to be missing what exactly what is most important about what kids learn in school. There is no class more important than recess, because the lessons you learn on the playground will take you a lot further than any curriculum, no matter what its substance.</p>
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		<title>By: R.J. Lehmann</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2006/04/18/class-education-and-meaning-manufacture/#comment-8231</link>
		<dc:creator>R.J. Lehmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If everyone CAN become more creative, and moreover, everyone DID become more creative, then wouldn&#039;t that suggest the marginal returns from such training would slope sharply downward as the supply of creative product grew?

I know you&#039;re not solely focused here on artisitc creativity, but taking that as an example, the trends in that arena have all been running directly counter to what you suggest. As technology has allowed the cost barriers to entry in so many artistic fields -- from filmmaking to publishing to music recording -- to drop precipitously, public demand is not nearly keeping pace with the explosion of supply. This has a depressing effect on the profits and wages artistic entrepreneurs can capture across the board. A certain cream may always rise, but marginal artist is giving way in many more areas than ever before to the unpaid amateur. I know I find a lot more enjoyment out of YouTube than I do the whole mass of 600 channels I get through digital cable.

And I&#039;m not as sure as you are that the process of &quot;making&quot; carries over so neatly into the world of entrepreneurship. The first distinction I&#039;d make is in the focus of the entrepreneur rather than the artist. It is less important to &quot;create&quot; than to &quot;create &lt;i&gt;that which other people NEED&lt;/i&gt;.&quot; Moreover, the conventional wisdom, and I&#039;m inclined to agree with it, is that developing the great idea, the killer ap, the visionary business model...is the EASY part. Executing it, convincing others to sign on to your vision, navigating how to deliver that product or service to those who would most value it, learning from your mistakes, spotting and adapting to changes in the market -- THOSE are the hard parts.

And most of those things have to do with social dynamics, the ability to read people, to manage expectations, to play politics, the willingness to humble oneself (or to engage in blatant self-promotion) when necessary, and so on.

Some of those things can be taught. Most of them, though, are honed over time through social interraction. Which is why, though I have no philosophical objection to home-schooling, I just can&#039;t help but feel whenever I hear parents or would-be parents talking about it, that they seem to be missing what exactly what is most important about what kids learn in school. There is no class more important than recess, because the lessons you learn on the playground will take you a lot further than any curriculum, no matter what its substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everyone CAN become more creative, and moreover, everyone DID become more creative, then wouldn&#8217;t that suggest the marginal returns from such training would slope sharply downward as the supply of creative product grew?</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;re not solely focused here on artisitc creativity, but taking that as an example, the trends in that arena have all been running directly counter to what you suggest. As technology has allowed the cost barriers to entry in so many artistic fields &#8212; from filmmaking to publishing to music recording &#8212; to drop precipitously, public demand is not nearly keeping pace with the explosion of supply. This has a depressing effect on the profits and wages artistic entrepreneurs can capture across the board. A certain cream may always rise, but marginal artist is giving way in many more areas than ever before to the unpaid amateur. I know I find a lot more enjoyment out of YouTube than I do the whole mass of 600 channels I get through digital cable.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not as sure as you are that the process of &#8220;making&#8221; carries over so neatly into the world of entrepreneurship. The first distinction I&#8217;d make is in the focus of the entrepreneur rather than the artist. It is less important to &#8220;create&#8221; than to &#8220;create <i>that which other people NEED</i>.&#8221; Moreover, the conventional wisdom, and I&#8217;m inclined to agree with it, is that developing the great idea, the killer ap, the visionary business model&#8230;is the EASY part. Executing it, convincing others to sign on to your vision, navigating how to deliver that product or service to those who would most value it, learning from your mistakes, spotting and adapting to changes in the market &#8212; THOSE are the hard parts.</p>
<p>And most of those things have to do with social dynamics, the ability to read people, to manage expectations, to play politics, the willingness to humble oneself (or to engage in blatant self-promotion) when necessary, and so on.</p>
<p>Some of those things can be taught. Most of them, though, are honed over time through social interraction. Which is why, though I have no philosophical objection to home-schooling, I just can&#8217;t help but feel whenever I hear parents or would-be parents talking about it, that they seem to be missing what exactly what is most important about what kids learn in school. There is no class more important than recess, because the lessons you learn on the playground will take you a lot further than any curriculum, no matter what its substance.</p>
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