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	<title>Comments on: Is Childbirth National Service?</title>
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		<title>By: Marvin McConoughey</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7011</link>
		<dc:creator>Marvin McConoughey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A world of six billion people and mass poverty is not in need of higher population.  Our country already suffers from declining petroleum production, rising environmental maintenance costs, limited water resources, and massive trade deficits. Rising population threatens a lower standard of living for future Americans, more rapid environmental deterioration, greater competition for farmland and housing, even faster depletion of natural resources and, eventually, food shortages and higher risk of disease epidemics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A world of six billion people and mass poverty is not in need of higher population.  Our country already suffers from declining petroleum production, rising environmental maintenance costs, limited water resources, and massive trade deficits. Rising population threatens a lower standard of living for future Americans, more rapid environmental deterioration, greater competition for farmland and housing, even faster depletion of natural resources and, eventually, food shortages and higher risk of disease epidemics.</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin McConoughey</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7026</link>
		<dc:creator>Marvin McConoughey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A world of six billion people and mass poverty is not in need of higher population.  Our country already suffers from declining petroleum production, rising environmental maintenance costs, limited water resources, and massive trade deficits. Rising population threatens a lower standard of living for future Americans, more rapid environmental deterioration, greater competition for farmland and housing, even faster depletion of natural resources and, eventually, food shortages and higher risk of disease epidemics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A world of six billion people and mass poverty is not in need of higher population.  Our country already suffers from declining petroleum production, rising environmental maintenance costs, limited water resources, and massive trade deficits. Rising population threatens a lower standard of living for future Americans, more rapid environmental deterioration, greater competition for farmland and housing, even faster depletion of natural resources and, eventually, food shortages and higher risk of disease epidemics.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7025</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought you might like to see this. You&#039;re mentioned in it.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.livejournal.com/community/cf_hardcore/1165412.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.livejournal.com/community/cf_hardcore/1165412.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought you might like to see this. You&#8217;re mentioned in it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.livejournal.com/community/cf_hardcore/1165412.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.livejournal.com/community/cf_hardcore/1165412.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gruntled</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7024</link>
		<dc:creator>Gruntled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 09:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think parenthood is not state service, but it is national service.  I elaborate on this point at &lt;a href=&quot;http://gruntledcenter.blogspot.com/.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://gruntledcenter.blogspot.com/.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think parenthood is not state service, but it is national service.  I elaborate on this point at <a href="http://gruntledcenter.blogspot.com/." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://gruntledcenter.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://gruntledcenter.blogspot.com/</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7023</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australia introduced an incentive program last year, aimed at encouraging people to have more children.  The family receives $2,300 for each child.  The Treasurer said, when interviewed, &quot;You should have..one for your husband, one for your wife, and one for your country.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australia introduced an incentive program last year, aimed at encouraging people to have more children.  The family receives $2,300 for each child.  The Treasurer said, when interviewed, &#8220;You should have..one for your husband, one for your wife, and one for your country.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Reginleif</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7022</link>
		<dc:creator>Reginleif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of pro-family policy (as long as that includes a non-bigoted notion of the family).

So would a childfree couple be thought of as a family? Guess not, from the rest of your post... you&#039;re not &quot;really&quot; part of a faaammmbleeee unless you&#039;ve sprogged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of pro-family policy (as long as that includes a non-bigoted notion of the family).</p>
<p>So would a childfree couple be thought of as a family? Guess not, from the rest of your post&#8230; you&#8217;re not &#8220;really&#8221; part of a faaammmbleeee unless you&#8217;ve sprogged.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Farris</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7021</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Farris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2005 06:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, am I the only one who isn&#039;t totally creeped out between this article and the Nazi&#039;s desire for the women to bear more children to support the Reich?

Oh, and sorry for invoking Godwin&#039;s law, but this these similarities are creepy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, am I the only one who isn&#8217;t totally creeped out between this article and the Nazi&#8217;s desire for the women to bear more children to support the Reich?</p>
<p>Oh, and sorry for invoking Godwin&#8217;s law, but this these similarities are creepy.</p>
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		<title>By: Famous J</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7020</link>
		<dc:creator>Famous J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You talk about trying to maintain the public/private distinction. What, exactly, is marriage if not a massive intrusion of the public into the private?

At some point, the government decided that A) people are going to get married and B) this is a good thing, and so they put their stamp of approval on it, and lavish people who get married with whatever benefits they could to dream up.

In principle, this is no different than what Douhat and Salam are proposing, only replace &quot;get married&quot; with &quot;have children&quot;.

Having said that, I agree that they could indeed come up with a less creepy way of putting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You talk about trying to maintain the public/private distinction. What, exactly, is marriage if not a massive intrusion of the public into the private?</p>
<p>At some point, the government decided that A) people are going to get married and B) this is a good thing, and so they put their stamp of approval on it, and lavish people who get married with whatever benefits they could to dream up.</p>
<p>In principle, this is no different than what Douhat and Salam are proposing, only replace &#8220;get married&#8221; with &#8220;have children&#8221;.</p>
<p>Having said that, I agree that they could indeed come up with a less creepy way of putting it.</p>
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		<title>By: blammo</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7019</link>
		<dc:creator>blammo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the inverse of China&#039;s &quot;One child&quot; policy, but substitutes social engineering instead of force.

This sounds suspiciously democrat. Wouldn&#039;t a true conservative argue that the best way to encourage people to have more children would be to lower the average American&#039;s tax burden, and let nature take its course?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the inverse of China&#8217;s &#8220;One child&#8221; policy, but substitutes social engineering instead of force.</p>
<p>This sounds suspiciously democrat. Wouldn&#8217;t a true conservative argue that the best way to encourage people to have more children would be to lower the average American&#8217;s tax burden, and let nature take its course?</p>
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		<title>By: brig@ddt.com</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7018</link>
		<dc:creator>brig@ddt.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is already policy. What is the child tax credit? $1000 per kid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is already policy. What is the child tax credit? $1000 per kid?</p>
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		<title>By: Wintermute</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7017</link>
		<dc:creator>Wintermute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governments already subsidize childbirth highly. &quot;Free&quot; K-12 schooling and subsidized higher education tuition and grants, free or subsidized day care, tax and Social Security benefits for stay-at-home spouses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governments already subsidize childbirth highly. &#8220;Free&#8221; K-12 schooling and subsidized higher education tuition and grants, free or subsidized day care, tax and Social Security benefits for stay-at-home spouses.</p>
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		<title>By: Castillon</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7016</link>
		<dc:creator>Castillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will Wilkinson,

Try:

Koonz, The Nazi Conscience

Koonz, Mothers in the Fatherland: Women, the Family and Nazi Politics

Stepheson, Women in Nazi Germany</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will Wilkinson,</p>
<p>Try:</p>
<p>Koonz, The Nazi Conscience</p>
<p>Koonz, Mothers in the Fatherland: Women, the Family and Nazi Politics</p>
<p>Stepheson, Women in Nazi Germany</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Patrick Moore</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7015</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Patrick Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice.  You summed exactly how I feel about lots of things -- I think they&#039;re nice, but they don&#039;t need to be subsidized/controlled/regulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice.  You summed exactly how I feel about lots of things &#8212; I think they&#8217;re nice, but they don&#8217;t need to be subsidized/controlled/regulated.</p>
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		<title>By: jb</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7014</link>
		<dc:creator>jb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

   Re: The Handmainds Tale - Don&#039;t waste your time.  The book is, IMO, pedantic and annoying.  Watch the movie instead - much less time spent, and exactly the same message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>   Re: The Handmainds Tale &#8211; Don&#8217;t waste your time.  The book is, IMO, pedantic and annoying.  Watch the movie instead &#8211; much less time spent, and exactly the same message.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/14/is-childbirth-national-service/#comment-7013</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, No, I haven&#039;t. I&#039;ll give it a shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, No, I haven&#8217;t. I&#8217;ll give it a shot.</p>
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