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	<title>Comments on: The Myth of Public Interest and the Flourishing of Political Predation</title>
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		<title>By: Franrose O</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6899</link>
		<dc:creator>Franrose O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a public servant means implementing government agenda for the common good. It generalizes the country as a whole including its elements. The two companies lost billions of dollars in the collapse of the subprime lending bubble, and were on the fast track to bankruptcy.  They had to be bailed out in order to keep the companies running and a large stimulus of capital was injected into them in order for them to recapitalize and get business rolling again. The actions that were taken by the companies over the last few years were reviewed by the House Oversight Committee in Washington on Tuesday, where they were criticized for their actions and termed irresponsible by Committee Chairman Henry Waxman. The firms&#039; former executives testified that they thought they were doing the right thing, even after being counseled by senior risk managers that investing the company heavily in subprime mortgages severely compromised the firms&#039; potential for cash flow. When the bubble burst and borrowers began defaulting, both companies started to sink. This demonstrates that proper security and planning is necessary in all areas of finance, be it at the level of large national lenders, or personal budgets. Click to read more on &lt;a title=&quot;READ MORE about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac&quot; rev=&quot;vote-for&quot; href=&quot;http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2008/12/10/payday-loans-made-to-the-two-largest-lending-firms-in-the-us/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fast Payday Loans&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a public servant means implementing government agenda for the common good. It generalizes the country as a whole including its elements. The two companies lost billions of dollars in the collapse of the subprime lending bubble, and were on the fast track to bankruptcy.  They had to be bailed out in order to keep the companies running and a large stimulus of capital was injected into them in order for them to recapitalize and get business rolling again. The actions that were taken by the companies over the last few years were reviewed by the House Oversight Committee in Washington on Tuesday, where they were criticized for their actions and termed irresponsible by Committee Chairman Henry Waxman. The firms&#39; former executives testified that they thought they were doing the right thing, even after being counseled by senior risk managers that investing the company heavily in subprime mortgages severely compromised the firms&#39; potential for cash flow. When the bubble burst and borrowers began defaulting, both companies started to sink. This demonstrates that proper security and planning is necessary in all areas of finance, be it at the level of large national lenders, or personal budgets. Click to read more on <a title="READ MORE about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac" rev="vote-for" href="http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2008/12/10/payday-loans-made-to-the-two-largest-lending-firms-in-the-us/" rel="nofollow">Fast Payday Loans</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Guida</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6934</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Guida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There you go again--more knee-jerk anti-Halliburton rhetoric. If knee-jerk anti-Walmart rhetoric is something that should be criticized, and I agree it is, knee-jerk anti-Halliburton talk or anti-Halliburton talk as a knee-jerk anti-Bush proxy, is equally unsatisfactory. NPR assumes Walmart&#039;s enemies are in the right. Others assume Henry Waxman&#039;s attack on Halliburton is just. They are equally crude, thoughtless, casual, and neither should be tolerated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There you go again&#8211;more knee-jerk anti-Halliburton rhetoric. If knee-jerk anti-Walmart rhetoric is something that should be criticized, and I agree it is, knee-jerk anti-Halliburton talk or anti-Halliburton talk as a knee-jerk anti-Bush proxy, is equally unsatisfactory. NPR assumes Walmart&#8217;s enemies are in the right. Others assume Henry Waxman&#8217;s attack on Halliburton is just. They are equally crude, thoughtless, casual, and neither should be tolerated.</p>
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		<title>By: battlepanda</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6933</link>
		<dc:creator>battlepanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, how does this particular story justify your point of view? If you don&#039;t even bother checking out whether Wal-mart really is in the wrong in this case, how do you know if NPR is not totally within bounds to characterize the gov. as the &#039;good guys&#039; in this case?

In any case, I find your argument that there is a popular conception of the government as universally benevolent and that is what is creating a hotbed for crony capitalism unconvincing. First of all, the American people is plenty cynical about gubmint. The problem is that it is a kind of passive, apathetic cynicism that numbs us to outrage like the no-bid contracts in Iraq. Of course, I&#039;m just speculating here (as are you), but I think it is equally likely that there would be more concern over Halliburton if we had higher expectations of government and what it can achieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, how does this particular story justify your point of view? If you don&#8217;t even bother checking out whether Wal-mart really is in the wrong in this case, how do you know if NPR is not totally within bounds to characterize the gov. as the &#8216;good guys&#8217; in this case?</p>
<p>In any case, I find your argument that there is a popular conception of the government as universally benevolent and that is what is creating a hotbed for crony capitalism unconvincing. First of all, the American people is plenty cynical about gubmint. The problem is that it is a kind of passive, apathetic cynicism that numbs us to outrage like the no-bid contracts in Iraq. Of course, I&#8217;m just speculating here (as are you), but I think it is equally likely that there would be more concern over Halliburton if we had higher expectations of government and what it can achieve.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6932</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was more annoyed by the usual naive assumed conception of government as defender of an uncontroversially shared idea of the public interest. Like I said, that&#039;s that kind of fog of misrepresentation behind which corruption and crony-capitalism lurks. The anti-business thing is really secondary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was more annoyed by the usual naive assumed conception of government as defender of an uncontroversially shared idea of the public interest. Like I said, that&#8217;s that kind of fog of misrepresentation behind which corruption and crony-capitalism lurks. The anti-business thing is really secondary.</p>
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		<title>By: Battlepanda</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6931</link>
		<dc:creator>Battlepanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is kind of lame. You criticize media coverage for being anti-business, but you don&#039;t even bother to make sure the example you cite has an anti-business angle that is unjustified. This is all well and good if you&#039;re preaching to the libertarian choir, but if you want to cogently argue your point of view to those who don&#039;t share it, it is not enough to say &quot;NPR is anti-walmart&quot;, but demonstrate within the context of this specific story that NPR got it wrong on walmart. Otherwise, you&#039;re just blowing so much hot air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is kind of lame. You criticize media coverage for being anti-business, but you don&#8217;t even bother to make sure the example you cite has an anti-business angle that is unjustified. This is all well and good if you&#8217;re preaching to the libertarian choir, but if you want to cogently argue your point of view to those who don&#8217;t share it, it is not enough to say &#8220;NPR is anti-walmart&#8221;, but demonstrate within the context of this specific story that NPR got it wrong on walmart. Otherwise, you&#8217;re just blowing so much hot air.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Callahan</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6930</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene Callahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 10:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;makes it increasingly difficult for government to serve it&#039;s genuinely necessary functions...&quot;

But government &lt;em&gt;has no&lt;/em&gt; genuinely necessary functions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;makes it increasingly difficult for government to serve it&#8217;s genuinely necessary functions&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>But government <em>has no</em> genuinely necessary functions!</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6929</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, the fact that very few companies are really &quot;hated&quot; implies to me that such stigma must actually be pretty easy to avoid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the fact that very few companies are really &#8220;hated&#8221; implies to me that such stigma must actually be pretty easy to avoid.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6928</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure how precise we can be on this cheating and fairness.  It seems to me to be a late-breaking field of study.

But maybe we can look at it with a little comparative taxonomy ... why is Wal-Mart &quot;bad&quot; and Target &quot;good?&quot;

If a Nike or a Home Depot successfully manages its social position ... should we blame the people for not liking Wal-Mart, or Wal-Mart for so ineffectively interacting with the people?

There are probably human/tribal things going on here, in our interactions with corporate players, that we are too immersed in to even see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure how precise we can be on this cheating and fairness.  It seems to me to be a late-breaking field of study.</p>
<p>But maybe we can look at it with a little comparative taxonomy &#8230; why is Wal-Mart &#8220;bad&#8221; and Target &#8220;good?&#8221;</p>
<p>If a Nike or a Home Depot successfully manages its social position &#8230; should we blame the people for not liking Wal-Mart, or Wal-Mart for so ineffectively interacting with the people?</p>
<p>There are probably human/tribal things going on here, in our interactions with corporate players, that we are too immersed in to even see.</p>
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		<title>By: R.J. Lehmann</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6927</link>
		<dc:creator>R.J. Lehmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheating implies breaking the rules. Sure, it happens, and sometimes it happens in big, obvious ways. But for the most part, rule-breaking is the purview of fly-by-night operators who look only to make a few bucks before cutting and running.

Empires like Wal-Mart, like Microsoft, like ExxonMobil -- they usually don&#039;t have to break the rules. Instead, they rewrite the rules to better suit them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheating implies breaking the rules. Sure, it happens, and sometimes it happens in big, obvious ways. But for the most part, rule-breaking is the purview of fly-by-night operators who look only to make a few bucks before cutting and running.</p>
<p>Empires like Wal-Mart, like Microsoft, like ExxonMobil &#8212; they usually don&#8217;t have to break the rules. Instead, they rewrite the rules to better suit them.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6926</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the answer is to understand human nature, and not try to hammer it to fit a favorite economic theory, be that theory from the left or the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the answer is to understand human nature, and not try to hammer it to fit a favorite economic theory, be that theory from the left or the right.</p>
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		<title>By: Teller</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6925</link>
		<dc:creator>Teller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>odograph:

Behaviour economics is not a against &quot;conservative&quot; economics. Hayek was a behavioural economist, so was Adam Smith. Issues such as fairness are part of market exchange.

I don&#039;t agree that Wall Mart is cheating, Wall Mart never promissed it&#039;s workers something it is not delivering.

On the other hand people, in a political discussion, are attacking wallmart because they emotionally it is &quot;unfair&quot;. This is a great example of political faliure, that harmfull populist ideas effeckt politics.

Hayek has very good theories why from an evolutionary perspective we humans cannnot understand the market, and consider it &quot;unfair&quot;. For one thing mostpeople simply don&#039;t have modules to handle corporations, and just analyse them morally as if they were people &quot;can&#039;t Wall-Mart give away a little money, he has so much&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>odograph:</p>
<p>Behaviour economics is not a against &#8220;conservative&#8221; economics. Hayek was a behavioural economist, so was Adam Smith. Issues such as fairness are part of market exchange.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree that Wall Mart is cheating, Wall Mart never promissed it&#8217;s workers something it is not delivering.</p>
<p>On the other hand people, in a political discussion, are attacking wallmart because they emotionally it is &#8220;unfair&#8221;. This is a great example of political faliure, that harmfull populist ideas effeckt politics.</p>
<p>Hayek has very good theories why from an evolutionary perspective we humans cannnot understand the market, and consider it &#8220;unfair&#8221;. For one thing mostpeople simply don&#8217;t have modules to handle corporations, and just analyse them morally as if they were people &#8220;can&#8217;t Wall-Mart give away a little money, he has so much&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: odograph</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6924</link>
		<dc:creator>odograph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My missing post hasn&#039;t shown up, so I&#039;ll do a variation on the same theme (without the links).

I thought about this while on my hike, and just decided that I can&#039;t trust Wal-Mart at this point.  It might be a &quot;where there&#039;s smoke there&#039;s fire thing&quot; but I worry that they might be cheaters.

If anyone of you have read The Winner&#039;s Curse, you know that we are &quot;economic&quot; creatures, but that experiments often uncover &quot;anomalies&quot; of economic life that revolve around issues of fairness, and cheating.  Game theory offers insight into why these rules might be advantageous over the long term.

Books like &quot;The Blank Slate&quot; and &quot;Cheating Monkeys and Citizen Bees&quot; extend this idea a bit in terms of both brain mechanism and evolutionary advantage.  There is some interesting work in this area, especially in studies that show we might share ideas of &quot;economic exchange&quot; and &quot;fairness&quot; with other creatures.

Many of the posts above take this as a right/left split issue.  That might be true, but I don&#039;t think the extremes really illuminate the issue.

I guess the classically liberal stance would be that it is all about &quot;fairness&quot; and insuring such.  On the other hand, the classically conservative stance would be that it is all about &quot;economic exchange.&quot;

Sorry guys (extremists) human nature includes both.

Being a conservative-leaning-moderate I&#039;ll say that our nature is mostly about advantageous exchange, but that we carry very definite ideas of fairness within ourselves (certainly within the society, if not every individual).

Companies which sail too close to the rocks, and become identified as &quot;unfair&quot; or &quot;cheaters&quot; suffer.  That&#039;s just human society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My missing post hasn&#8217;t shown up, so I&#8217;ll do a variation on the same theme (without the links).</p>
<p>I thought about this while on my hike, and just decided that I can&#8217;t trust Wal-Mart at this point.  It might be a &#8220;where there&#8217;s smoke there&#8217;s fire thing&#8221; but I worry that they might be cheaters.</p>
<p>If anyone of you have read The Winner&#8217;s Curse, you know that we are &#8220;economic&#8221; creatures, but that experiments often uncover &#8220;anomalies&#8221; of economic life that revolve around issues of fairness, and cheating.  Game theory offers insight into why these rules might be advantageous over the long term.</p>
<p>Books like &#8220;The Blank Slate&#8221; and &#8220;Cheating Monkeys and Citizen Bees&#8221; extend this idea a bit in terms of both brain mechanism and evolutionary advantage.  There is some interesting work in this area, especially in studies that show we might share ideas of &#8220;economic exchange&#8221; and &#8220;fairness&#8221; with other creatures.</p>
<p>Many of the posts above take this as a right/left split issue.  That might be true, but I don&#8217;t think the extremes really illuminate the issue.</p>
<p>I guess the classically liberal stance would be that it is all about &#8220;fairness&#8221; and insuring such.  On the other hand, the classically conservative stance would be that it is all about &#8220;economic exchange.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry guys (extremists) human nature includes both.</p>
<p>Being a conservative-leaning-moderate I&#8217;ll say that our nature is mostly about advantageous exchange, but that we carry very definite ideas of fairness within ourselves (certainly within the society, if not every individual).</p>
<p>Companies which sail too close to the rocks, and become identified as &#8220;unfair&#8221; or &#8220;cheaters&#8221; suffer.  That&#8217;s just human society.</p>
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		<title>By: BillKorner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6923</link>
		<dc:creator>BillKorner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marketplace, the show Will was listening to, is produced by American Public Media which apparently has or had some ties with Public Radio International.  What ties these organizations have with NPR or the Corporation for Public Broadcasting I do not know.  Someone interested in actual facts may be able to enlighten us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marketplace, the show Will was listening to, is produced by American Public Media which apparently has or had some ties with Public Radio International.  What ties these organizations have with NPR or the Corporation for Public Broadcasting I do not know.  Someone interested in actual facts may be able to enlighten us.</p>
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		<title>By: BillKorner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/11/04/the-myth-of-public-interest-and-the-flourishing-of-political-predation/#comment-6922</link>
		<dc:creator>BillKorner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIRDZILLA et al:  In fact the head of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting recently resigned in the face of a Congressional investigation tending to show that he was illegally exerting right-wing influence on programing.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4989287&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4989287&lt;/a&gt;

Of course this does not show that NPR does not have a liberal bias or, for that matter, a liberal bias that is disadvantagous to the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIRDZILLA et al:  In fact the head of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting recently resigned in the face of a Congressional investigation tending to show that he was illegally exerting right-wing influence on programing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4989287" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4989287</a></p>
<p>Of course this does not show that NPR does not have a liberal bias or, for that matter, a liberal bias that is disadvantagous to the left.</p>
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		<title>By: BIRDZILLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIRDZILLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No you ever expect anything less from NPR? its a leftist propeganda bunch they could easely use a TOKYO ROSE</description>
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