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		<title>By: Chase</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6449</link>
		<dc:creator>Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethical issues of cannabis legalization aside, the fact that the government restricts a substance no more harmful than alcohol and makes it difficult for us to acquire and use is a violation of our basic civil rights.

A similar story would be the cigarette tax.  The tax represents a directive from the government about how we should be living our lives.  The tax makes it clear that the government will make it easier for us to live our lives one way, and difficult to do it the other way.

I believe Karen Tandy should be fired not because of any of her anti-marijuana activities, but simply because she has helped to demonize the beloved herb.  I should make a post about that, but I&#039;m feeling kinda lazy...
Maybe I&#039;ll get around to it, and you can check it out on my cannabis love blog, http://weedneeds.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethical issues of cannabis legalization aside, the fact that the government restricts a substance no more harmful than alcohol and makes it difficult for us to acquire and use is a violation of our basic civil rights.</p>
<p>A similar story would be the cigarette tax.  The tax represents a directive from the government about how we should be living our lives.  The tax makes it clear that the government will make it easier for us to live our lives one way, and difficult to do it the other way.</p>
<p>I believe Karen Tandy should be fired not because of any of her anti-marijuana activities, but simply because she has helped to demonize the beloved herb.  I should make a post about that, but I&#8217;m feeling kinda lazy&#8230;<br />
Maybe I&#8217;ll get around to it, and you can check it out on my cannabis love blog, <a href="http://weedneeds.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://weedneeds.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chase</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6461</link>
		<dc:creator>Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethical issues of cannabis legalization aside, the fact that the government restricts a substance no more harmful than alcohol and makes it difficult for us to acquire and use is a violation of our basic civil rights.

A similar story would be the cigarette tax.  The tax represents a directive from the government about how we should be living our lives.  The tax makes it clear that the government will make it easier for us to live our lives one way, and difficult to do it the other way.

I believe Karen Tandy should be fired not because of any of her anti-marijuana activities, but simply because she has helped to demonize the beloved herb.  I should make a post about that, but I&#039;m feeling kinda lazy...
Maybe I&#039;ll get around to it, and you can check it out on my cannabis love blog, http://weedneeds.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethical issues of cannabis legalization aside, the fact that the government restricts a substance no more harmful than alcohol and makes it difficult for us to acquire and use is a violation of our basic civil rights.</p>
<p>A similar story would be the cigarette tax.  The tax represents a directive from the government about how we should be living our lives.  The tax makes it clear that the government will make it easier for us to live our lives one way, and difficult to do it the other way.</p>
<p>I believe Karen Tandy should be fired not because of any of her anti-marijuana activities, but simply because she has helped to demonize the beloved herb.  I should make a post about that, but I&#8217;m feeling kinda lazy&#8230;<br />
Maybe I&#8217;ll get around to it, and you can check it out on my cannabis love blog, <a href="http://weedneeds.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://weedneeds.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grow Box Hydroponics Guru</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6448</link>
		<dc:creator>Grow Box Hydroponics Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello!</description>
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		<title>By: Grow Box Hydroponics Guru</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6464</link>
		<dc:creator>Grow Box Hydroponics Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 05:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!</p>
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		<title>By: Sheelah</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6447</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheelah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 04:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hundreds of thousands of dollars of Emery’s illicit profits are known to have been channeled to marijuana legalization groups active in the United States and Canada. Drug legalization lobbyists now have one less pot of money to rely on.&quot;

Your own quote says money from &quot;ILLICIT profits&quot; are funding the legalization movement.  It has nothing to do with free speech</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hundreds of thousands of dollars of Emery’s illicit profits are known to have been channeled to marijuana legalization groups active in the United States and Canada. Drug legalization lobbyists now have one less pot of money to rely on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your own quote says money from &#8220;ILLICIT profits&#8221; are funding the legalization movement.  It has nothing to do with free speech</p>
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		<title>By: Sheelah</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6463</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheelah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hundreds of thousands of dollars of Emery’s illicit profits are known to have been channeled to marijuana legalization groups active in the United States and Canada. Drug legalization lobbyists now have one less pot of money to rely on.&quot;

Your own quote says money from &quot;ILLICIT profits&quot; are funding the legalization movement.  It has nothing to do with free speech</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hundreds of thousands of dollars of Emery’s illicit profits are known to have been channeled to marijuana legalization groups active in the United States and Canada. Drug legalization lobbyists now have one less pot of money to rely on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your own quote says money from &#8220;ILLICIT profits&#8221; are funding the legalization movement.  It has nothing to do with free speech</p>
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		<title>By: John Newsome</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6446</link>
		<dc:creator>John Newsome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 01:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, here it is nine months since the lart posting, and Karen Tandy&#039;s still in office.

&quot;Mr. President: FIRE KAREN TANDY!&quot; Ha! Ha! Ha!
Yeah, right away. Please!....Please!...Please, Mr. Presidnt, Pleeze!

You liberals make me vomit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, here it is nine months since the lart posting, and Karen Tandy&#8217;s still in office.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. President: FIRE KAREN TANDY!&#8221; Ha! Ha! Ha!<br />
Yeah, right away. Please!&#8230;.Please!&#8230;Please, Mr. Presidnt, Pleeze!</p>
<p>You liberals make me vomit.</p>
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		<title>By: John Newsome</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6462</link>
		<dc:creator>John Newsome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, here it is nine months since the lart posting, and Karen Tandy&#039;s still in office.

&quot;Mr. President: FIRE KAREN TANDY!&quot; Ha! Ha! Ha!
Yeah, right away. Please!....Please!...Please, Mr. Presidnt, Pleeze!

You liberals make me vomit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, here it is nine months since the lart posting, and Karen Tandy&#8217;s still in office.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. President: FIRE KAREN TANDY!&#8221; Ha! Ha! Ha!<br />
Yeah, right away. Please!&#8230;.Please!&#8230;Please, Mr. Presidnt, Pleeze!</p>
<p>You liberals make me vomit.</p>
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		<title>By: CheebaHawk</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6445</link>
		<dc:creator>CheebaHawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh so scary how our rights are being slowly taken away from us. For those that saw inconvenient truth I am sure you will recognize the from analogy. If you put a frog in hot water he will jump out. If you put him in cold water and slowly heat it up, he wont jump, he will sit there until he dies. Anyways are rights are being taken away from us at a rate in which we don&#039;t really notice until it is too late!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh so scary how our rights are being slowly taken away from us. For those that saw inconvenient truth I am sure you will recognize the from analogy. If you put a frog in hot water he will jump out. If you put him in cold water and slowly heat it up, he wont jump, he will sit there until he dies. Anyways are rights are being taken away from us at a rate in which we don&#8217;t really notice until it is too late!</p>
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		<title>By: CheebaHawk</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6460</link>
		<dc:creator>CheebaHawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh so scary how our rights are being slowly taken away from us. For those that saw inconvenient truth I am sure you will recognize the from analogy. If you put a frog in hot water he will jump out. If you put him in cold water and slowly heat it up, he wont jump, he will sit there until he dies. Anyways are rights are being taken away from us at a rate in which we don&#039;t really notice until it is too late!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh so scary how our rights are being slowly taken away from us. For those that saw inconvenient truth I am sure you will recognize the from analogy. If you put a frog in hot water he will jump out. If you put him in cold water and slowly heat it up, he wont jump, he will sit there until he dies. Anyways are rights are being taken away from us at a rate in which we don&#8217;t really notice until it is too late!</p>
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		<title>By: jen is a common name</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6459</link>
		<dc:creator>jen is a common name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. President: FIRE KAREN TANDY!

Will, this seems to assume that Mr. President would disagree with what she said.  Are you so sure about that?  Or would the main objection be that she showed their anti-free speech hand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. President: FIRE KAREN TANDY!</p>
<p>Will, this seems to assume that Mr. President would disagree with what she said.  Are you so sure about that?  Or would the main objection be that she showed their anti-free speech hand?</p>
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		<title>By: Insiderman</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6458</link>
		<dc:creator>Insiderman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the next big step is to apply RICO statutes to organizations favoring legal marijuana.  This would allow them to confiscate from such organizations the funds received from illegal drug trade and any assets that MAY have been purchased using funds received from illegal drug trade.

Whoops!  I let their strategy out of the bag.

On a different note, Libertarians, maybe we should wait until after we disallow publicly supported medical care and income maintenance for drug-related illness before we allow marijuana and other drug use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the next big step is to apply RICO statutes to organizations favoring legal marijuana.  This would allow them to confiscate from such organizations the funds received from illegal drug trade and any assets that MAY have been purchased using funds received from illegal drug trade.</p>
<p>Whoops!  I let their strategy out of the bag.</p>
<p>On a different note, Libertarians, maybe we should wait until after we disallow publicly supported medical care and income maintenance for drug-related illness before we allow marijuana and other drug use.</p>
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		<title>By: Apex Of Our Faith</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6457</link>
		<dc:creator>Apex Of Our Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I prefer &quot;Draw and Quarter Karen Tandy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I prefer &#8220;Draw and Quarter Karen Tandy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sigivald</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6456</link>
		<dc:creator>Sigivald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the article Radley linked to: &quot;His crime is apparently selling mail-order marijuana seeds to U.S. residents.&quot;.

To me, that puts rather a different face on Amy&#039;s rejoinder, which would hold a lot more weight if he was not being arrested for commerce in the US, to US citizens. While his company is in Canada, it&#039;s shipping to the US, and Canada seems perfectly happy to extradite on such a matter, so I don&#039;t see any particularly harmful precedent.

And I must sympathise with dww; while I like pot and think it ought to be legal, I can&#039;t complain about the DEA thinking that it&#039;d be nice if pot activists were funded legitimately rather than by the proceeds of illegal activity (the aforementioned illicit cross-border trade in seeds).

And it sure sounds to me like she was saying she was going to arrest people for doing illegal things like selling pot seeds in the US rather than to merely or primarily squelch speech the State doesn&#039;t like. (I&#039;m sure the DEA would go after Amsterdam seed sellers as well if the Dutch would extradite. It&#039;s a policy I don&#039;t like, and a stupid law, but I can&#039;t claim to find it unconstitutional. That is, after all, international trade, something the Federal government has a clear right to regulate as it sees fit, stupid or not.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the article Radley linked to: &#8220;His crime is apparently selling mail-order marijuana seeds to U.S. residents.&#8221;.</p>
<p>To me, that puts rather a different face on Amy&#8217;s rejoinder, which would hold a lot more weight if he was not being arrested for commerce in the US, to US citizens. While his company is in Canada, it&#8217;s shipping to the US, and Canada seems perfectly happy to extradite on such a matter, so I don&#8217;t see any particularly harmful precedent.</p>
<p>And I must sympathise with dww; while I like pot and think it ought to be legal, I can&#8217;t complain about the DEA thinking that it&#8217;d be nice if pot activists were funded legitimately rather than by the proceeds of illegal activity (the aforementioned illicit cross-border trade in seeds).</p>
<p>And it sure sounds to me like she was saying she was going to arrest people for doing illegal things like selling pot seeds in the US rather than to merely or primarily squelch speech the State doesn&#8217;t like. (I&#8217;m sure the DEA would go after Amsterdam seed sellers as well if the Dutch would extradite. It&#8217;s a policy I don&#8217;t like, and a stupid law, but I can&#8217;t claim to find it unconstitutional. That is, after all, international trade, something the Federal government has a clear right to regulate as it sees fit, stupid or not.)</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Phillips</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/07/fire-karen-tandy/#comment-6455</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 15:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dww:
Off the top of my head, a major problem with your argument is that Emery has not been charged with breaking any laws in Canada, where his actions took place.  It is legal in Canada to sell marijuana seeds for medicinal use, and in British Columbia, recreational use is widely tolerated. In fact, there is a cafe selling pot openly only a few blocks from Emery&#039;s Vancouver offices.  So this is roughly akin to saying that American citizens who make money doing things abroad that are illegal in the U.S. should not be allowed to bring that money home and use it to fund free speech.  Do you want to set a precedent that would prevent, say, people who invest their money in the Cayman Islands where financial disclosure laws are more lax should be prevented from engaging in free speech here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dww:<br />
Off the top of my head, a major problem with your argument is that Emery has not been charged with breaking any laws in Canada, where his actions took place.  It is legal in Canada to sell marijuana seeds for medicinal use, and in British Columbia, recreational use is widely tolerated. In fact, there is a cafe selling pot openly only a few blocks from Emery&#8217;s Vancouver offices.  So this is roughly akin to saying that American citizens who make money doing things abroad that are illegal in the U.S. should not be allowed to bring that money home and use it to fund free speech.  Do you want to set a precedent that would prevent, say, people who invest their money in the Cayman Islands where financial disclosure laws are more lax should be prevented from engaging in free speech here?</p>
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