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	<description>The Sweet Release of Reason</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Korner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/05/happiness-quotes-of-the-day/#comment-6398</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Korner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, I love you.  I&#039;m not committed to any employer-based insurance.  If you&#039;ve got a plan to create a laissez-faire utopia where everybody is happier than today, then can I please get on the list to help you implement it.  And we&#039;re playing some hold&#039;em tonight at 7 if you&#039;re gnna be around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, I love you.  I&#8217;m not committed to any employer-based insurance.  If you&#8217;ve got a plan to create a laissez-faire utopia where everybody is happier than today, then can I please get on the list to help you implement it.  And we&#8217;re playing some hold&#8217;em tonight at 7 if you&#8217;re gnna be around.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Weininger</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/05/happiness-quotes-of-the-day/#comment-6397</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Weininger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

Note I said &quot;largely,&quot; not &quot;entirely.&quot; I&#039;m not claiming that in the absence of state intervention everyone would be a happy, rich freelancer. I&#039;m pointing out the *fact* that present employment relations did not grow up in a laissez-faire environment, but in one of heavy state regulation; and I&#039;m arguing that that regulation is one important factor (not the only one) in shaping those relations.

I&#039;ve cited some concrete support for that argument in my previous response to monkyboy. As another datum in support, there&#039;s the fact that the modern linkage of health insurance to employment-- which has obvious and serious consequences for employment relations-- was created by the preferential tax treatment given to employer-provided fringe benefits starting in WWII.

Do you have any concrete arguments in opposition, or will you content yourself with strawmen and sneers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>Note I said &#8220;largely,&#8221; not &#8220;entirely.&#8221; I&#8217;m not claiming that in the absence of state intervention everyone would be a happy, rich freelancer. I&#8217;m pointing out the *fact* that present employment relations did not grow up in a laissez-faire environment, but in one of heavy state regulation; and I&#8217;m arguing that that regulation is one important factor (not the only one) in shaping those relations.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve cited some concrete support for that argument in my previous response to monkyboy. As another datum in support, there&#8217;s the fact that the modern linkage of health insurance to employment&#8211; which has obvious and serious consequences for employment relations&#8211; was created by the preferential tax treatment given to employer-provided fringe benefits starting in WWII.</p>
<p>Do you have any concrete arguments in opposition, or will you content yourself with strawmen and sneers?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Korner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/05/happiness-quotes-of-the-day/#comment-6396</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Korner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 13:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick:  The way you support libertarianism (&quot;the fact that self-employment and self-directed labor are uncommon...is largely due to corporatist state intervention, not to the operation of the market&quot;) is strikingly similar to a Stalinist&#039;s defense of his implelentation of Marxism.

--If there&#039;s anything bad about the society I&#039;m defending it&#039;s because of the ideology I oppose.  So just let me and my ideas rule and everything will be great. --

Yeah, right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick:  The way you support libertarianism (&#8220;the fact that self-employment and self-directed labor are uncommon&#8230;is largely due to corporatist state intervention, not to the operation of the market&#8221;) is strikingly similar to a Stalinist&#8217;s defense of his implelentation of Marxism.</p>
<p>&#8211;If there&#8217;s anything bad about the society I&#8217;m defending it&#8217;s because of the ideology I oppose.  So just let me and my ideas rule and everything will be great. &#8211;</p>
<p>Yeah, right!</p>
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		<title>By: monkyboy</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/05/happiness-quotes-of-the-day/#comment-6395</link>
		<dc:creator>monkyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 04:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Progress for individuals maybe, but a disaster for a democracy.

An uninformed citizenry voting for &quot;leaders&quot; with little experience outside their &quot;one thing&quot; leads to things like Iraq and massive defecits...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Progress for individuals maybe, but a disaster for a democracy.</p>
<p>An uninformed citizenry voting for &#8220;leaders&#8221; with little experience outside their &#8220;one thing&#8221; leads to things like Iraq and massive defecits&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gil</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/05/happiness-quotes-of-the-day/#comment-6394</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 02:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monkyboy,

Now you can do one thing well, and spend the rest of your time focusing on things that interest you, rather than be forced to deal with as many other things.

Sounds like progress to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monkyboy,</p>
<p>Now you can do one thing well, and spend the rest of your time focusing on things that interest you, rather than be forced to deal with as many other things.</p>
<p>Sounds like progress to me.</p>
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		<title>By: monkyboy</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/05/happiness-quotes-of-the-day/#comment-6393</link>
		<dc:creator>monkyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2005 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a Luddite or a socialist, Nick.  I appreciate the benefits technology and capitalism have brought.

I&#039;m just saying people are less independant and less interesting because of it.  People in the past had to be jack-of-all-trades to survive and were more diverse because of it.  Now you can do one thing well and just buy whatever else you need...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a Luddite or a socialist, Nick.  I appreciate the benefits technology and capitalism have brought.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just saying people are less independant and less interesting because of it.  People in the past had to be jack-of-all-trades to survive and were more diverse because of it.  Now you can do one thing well and just buy whatever else you need&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Weininger</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/05/happiness-quotes-of-the-day/#comment-6392</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Weininger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monkyboy,

But technology, by itself, creates at least as many opportunities for independent work as it destroys; consider independent Web designers and consultants, for example. And if you&#039;re an independent musician, you can reach a worldwide audience through the Internet more easily than ever before; in fact a good friend of mine does just that. Admittedly he&#039;s an amateur, but so have most musicians been throughout history.

Moreover, the expansion of business chains did not take place in a laissez-faire environment. In many cases these chains blatantly and openly get special privileges from the state (eminent domain, tax holidays, etc) that their smaller competitors don&#039;t. And regulations are always easier for larger, established businesses to deal with smoothly than for small startups.

Finally, you&#039;re overstating the case. Small businesspeople have hardly &quot;disappeared.&quot; In 2000 (says the SBA) there were 16.5 million sole proprietorships in the US; that&#039;s not a trivial number. It is true that there are fewer than there could be and ought to be-- and this is, again, due largely to regulatory and tax policies and other sorts of state favoritism toward large enterprises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monkyboy,</p>
<p>But technology, by itself, creates at least as many opportunities for independent work as it destroys; consider independent Web designers and consultants, for example. And if you&#8217;re an independent musician, you can reach a worldwide audience through the Internet more easily than ever before; in fact a good friend of mine does just that. Admittedly he&#8217;s an amateur, but so have most musicians been throughout history.</p>
<p>Moreover, the expansion of business chains did not take place in a laissez-faire environment. In many cases these chains blatantly and openly get special privileges from the state (eminent domain, tax holidays, etc) that their smaller competitors don&#8217;t. And regulations are always easier for larger, established businesses to deal with smoothly than for small startups.</p>
<p>Finally, you&#8217;re overstating the case. Small businesspeople have hardly &#8220;disappeared.&#8221; In 2000 (says the SBA) there were 16.5 million sole proprietorships in the US; that&#8217;s not a trivial number. It is true that there are fewer than there could be and ought to be&#8211; and this is, again, due largely to regulatory and tax policies and other sorts of state favoritism toward large enterprises.</p>
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		<title>By: monkyboy</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/05/happiness-quotes-of-the-day/#comment-6391</link>
		<dc:creator>monkyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehe, Nick. &quot;Corporatist state intervention&quot; is hardly the cause.

In the case of small businessmen disappearing, I think the main cause is the expansion of business chains across America.  A Home Depot opened across town from me, and one by one, all the small hardware stores in town closed.  There was no way they could compete.

Self-directed labor is fading because both replacements for anything that wears out are usually cheap, or in the case of non-disposable goods, it is impossible for regular people to fix them.  My dad used to replace blown tubes in our TV sets(bought from the local hardware store) and do most of the repairs on our family vehicles.  Good luck repairing your car these days when the CPU goes out...

Science has also surpassed the point where amateurs like Jefferson can make any real contributions.  All the low hanging fruit that a backyard scientist could pick is gone and now we need billion dollar research outfits to advance science.

And TV has reduced the benefits for small town musicians, actors, etc. to learn those arts.  Why go hear your neighborhood band when the best musicians in the world are a button press away?  Jefferson truly enjoyed praticing and playing music for the locals...

It&#039;s not government but technology and capitalism that have made people like Jefferson extinct in our times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehe, Nick. &#8220;Corporatist state intervention&#8221; is hardly the cause.</p>
<p>In the case of small businessmen disappearing, I think the main cause is the expansion of business chains across America.  A Home Depot opened across town from me, and one by one, all the small hardware stores in town closed.  There was no way they could compete.</p>
<p>Self-directed labor is fading because both replacements for anything that wears out are usually cheap, or in the case of non-disposable goods, it is impossible for regular people to fix them.  My dad used to replace blown tubes in our TV sets(bought from the local hardware store) and do most of the repairs on our family vehicles.  Good luck repairing your car these days when the CPU goes out&#8230;</p>
<p>Science has also surpassed the point where amateurs like Jefferson can make any real contributions.  All the low hanging fruit that a backyard scientist could pick is gone and now we need billion dollar research outfits to advance science.</p>
<p>And TV has reduced the benefits for small town musicians, actors, etc. to learn those arts.  Why go hear your neighborhood band when the best musicians in the world are a button press away?  Jefferson truly enjoyed praticing and playing music for the locals&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not government but technology and capitalism that have made people like Jefferson extinct in our times.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Weininger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Weininger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there is a good case to be made that the fact that self-employment and self-directed labor are uncommon-- that there are not more small businessmen, freelancers, consultants, artisans, etc-- is largely due to corporatist state intervention, not to the operation of the market. So complaining about the existing structure of employment relations doesn&#039;t actually get you anywhere anti-libertarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there is a good case to be made that the fact that self-employment and self-directed labor are uncommon&#8211; that there are not more small businessmen, freelancers, consultants, artisans, etc&#8211; is largely due to corporatist state intervention, not to the operation of the market. So complaining about the existing structure of employment relations doesn&#8217;t actually get you anywhere anti-libertarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Korner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/08/05/happiness-quotes-of-the-day/#comment-6389</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Korner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 09:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there are different kinds of employment at least some of which do not involve being hired at all. And its possible to be hired and still exercise a satisfying amount of discretion in one&#039;s works.  It&#039;s just that these are quite uncommon forms of employment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there are different kinds of employment at least some of which do not involve being hired at all. And its possible to be hired and still exercise a satisfying amount of discretion in one&#8217;s works.  It&#8217;s just that these are quite uncommon forms of employment.</p>
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