Comments on: Notes on Modularity, Value Pluralism, Cultural Variation, etc. http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/ The Sweet Release of Reason Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:45 +0000 hourly 1 By: McClain http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5364 McClain Tue, 10 May 2005 01:48:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5364 So crazies'n'druggies see what's real, but overlooked, maybe.... Different mental perception modules activated, different hot/cold mental bias. Same reality. Religious visionaries (like witch doctors, mediums...) as well? It's a long-standing, nagging fear for many folks, I think. The fear that THEY'RE NOT JUST CRAZY, IT'S NOT JUST THE DRUGS, etc. So crazies’n'druggies see what’s real, but overlooked, maybe….
Different mental perception modules activated, different hot/cold mental bias.
Same reality.
Religious visionaries (like witch doctors, mediums…) as well?
It’s a long-standing, nagging fear for many folks, I think.
The fear that THEY’RE NOT JUST CRAZY, IT’S NOT JUST THE DRUGS, etc.

]]> By: bago http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5363 bago Sun, 08 May 2005 05:41:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5363 The nigh-inherent behavior patterns at a low level could always be described as emotional. Such patterns will be surfaced in an effective manner when given a darwinin survival of the fittest context. However, in the past 5 thousand years, we've gone meta, and in the past 200 it's gone meta to the extreme. There's a point where you realize this thing keeps going, and damn it's cool. Data driven behaviors as side effects of emergent properties of competition and expansion make the general human quandry make so much more sense. Alpha types dominate because they have to, or else they will be destroyed by competition. What we perceive as effective sucessful traits will always be outliers on any populational curve, because of the nature of competition. The nigh-inherent behavior patterns at a low level could always be described as emotional. Such patterns will be surfaced in an effective manner when given a darwinin survival of the fittest context. However, in the past 5 thousand years, we’ve gone meta, and in the past 200 it’s gone meta to the extreme. There’s a point where you realize this thing keeps going, and damn it’s cool.

Data driven behaviors as side effects of emergent properties of competition and expansion make the general human quandry make so much more sense. Alpha types dominate because they have to, or else they will be destroyed by competition.

What we perceive as effective sucessful traits will always be outliers on any populational curve, because of the nature of competition.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5362 Will Wilkinson Thu, 05 May 2005 15:52:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5362 Sweet. Thanks, Brad. I hope to see you at the party tomorrow. Sweet. Thanks, Brad. I hope to see you at the party tomorrow.

]]> By: brad http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5361 brad Thu, 05 May 2005 15:36:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5361 Will, you might also check out Cass Sunstein's BBS article "Moral Heurestics". The preprint is here: <a href="http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/Sunstein-01102004/Referees/Sunstein.rev.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/Sunstein-01102004/Referees/Sunstein.rev.pdf</a> Some of Jon Haidt's work might be of interest too, in particular "Intuitive Ethics: How Innately Prepared Intuitions Generate Culturally Variable Virtues". You can find it here: <a href="http://wsrv.clas.virginia.edu/~jdh6n/publications.html" rel="nofollow">http://wsrv.clas.virginia.edu/~jdh6n/publications.html</a> Will, you might also check out Cass Sunstein’s BBS article “Moral Heurestics”. The preprint is here:
http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/Sunstein-01102004/Referees/Sunstein.rev.pdf
Some of Jon Haidt’s work might be of interest too, in particular “Intuitive Ethics: How Innately Prepared Intuitions Generate Culturally Variable Virtues”. You can find it here: http://wsrv.clas.virginia.edu/~jdh6n/publications.html

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5360 Will Wilkinson Thu, 05 May 2005 14:31:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5360 Thanks Chris! Awesome. I'll be looking it all up. Thanks Chris! Awesome. I’ll be looking it all up.

]]> By: Chris http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5359 Chris Thu, 05 May 2005 11:55:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5359 You might find interesting, and I guarantee you will find educational, some of the recent work on goal systems and valuation. While it doesn't really speak to modularity (most of the work assumes a domain-general goal system with learned domain-specific representations), it certainly speaks to how we reason about values, and how context and domain may effect that reasoning. Two papers in particular may serve as good starting points, as they present fairly extensive literature reviews along with theoretical discussion. They are: Kruglanski, A. W., Shah, J. Y., Fishbach, A., Friedman, R., Chun, W. Y., & Sleeth-Keppler, D. (2002). <a href="http://cci.som.yale.edu/docs/A_Kruglanski.pdf" rel="nofollow">A theory of goal systems</a>. Advances in Experimental Social Psychology, 34, 331-378. Markman, A.B., & Brendl, C.M. (in press). <a href="http://www.psy.utexas.edu/psy/FACULTY/Markman/MB05.pdf" rel="nofollow">Goals, policies, preferences, and actions</a>. To appear in F.R. Kardes, P.M. Herr, & J. Nantel (Eds.) Applying Social Cognition to Consumer-focused Strategy. Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates. You might also find the now fairly extensive literature on protected values informative. It speaks more directly to the differences in the types of reasoning used for what we consider fungible and what we do not. The best place to start is with this paper: Baron, J., & Spranca, M. (1997). <a href="http://home.hanmir.com/~sddhkim/baron-value.pdf" rel="nofollow">Protected values</a>. Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 70(1), 1-16. However, this paper is much more recent and has conclusions that may be more relevant to certain philosophical issues concerning moral reasoning: Tanner, C. & Medin, D.L. (In Press). <a href="http://www.psych.nwu.edu/psych/people/faculty/tanner/T&M_doc.pdf" rel="nofollow">Protected values: No omission bias and no framing effects</a>. Psychonomic Bulletin & Review. You might find interesting, and I guarantee you will find educational, some of the recent work on goal systems and valuation. While it doesn’t really speak to modularity (most of the work assumes a domain-general goal system with learned domain-specific representations), it certainly speaks to how we reason about values, and how context and domain may effect that reasoning. Two papers in particular may serve as good starting points, as they present fairly extensive literature reviews along with theoretical discussion. They are:
Kruglanski, A. W., Shah, J. Y., Fishbach, A., Friedman, R., Chun, W. Y., & Sleeth-Keppler, D. (2002). A theory of goal systems. Advances in Experimental Social Psychology, 34, 331-378.

Markman, A.B., & Brendl, C.M. (in press). Goals, policies, preferences, and actions. To appear in F.R. Kardes, P.M. Herr, & J. Nantel (Eds.) Applying Social Cognition to Consumer-focused Strategy. Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates.

You might also find the now fairly extensive literature on protected values informative. It speaks more directly to the differences in the types of reasoning used for what we consider fungible and what we do not. The best place to start is with this paper:
Baron, J., & Spranca, M. (1997). Protected values. Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 70(1), 1-16.

However, this paper is much more recent and has conclusions that may be more relevant to certain philosophical issues concerning moral reasoning:
Tanner, C. & Medin, D.L. (In Press). Protected values: No omission bias and no framing effects. Psychonomic Bulletin & Review.

]]> By: Christopher Monnier http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5358 Christopher Monnier Wed, 04 May 2005 22:06:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5358 Interesting bit about values...I've always thought that libertarians are generally more consistent in applying their principles than others. Democrats favor abortion rights because women "own their own body," but often favor smoking bans and anti-fat regulations. Republicans claim to favor limited government, but insist on regulating our thoughts and beliefs. Maybe libertarians' minds are less modular... Interesting bit about values…I’ve always thought that libertarians are generally more consistent in applying their principles than others. Democrats favor abortion rights because women “own their own body,” but often favor smoking bans and anti-fat regulations. Republicans claim to favor limited government, but insist on regulating our thoughts and beliefs.

Maybe libertarians’ minds are less modular…

]]> By: Christopher Monnier http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5350 Christopher Monnier Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5350 Interesting bit about values...I've always thought that libertarians are generally more consistent in applying their principles than others. Democrats favor abortion rights because women "own their own body," but often favor smoking bans and anti-fat regulations. Republicans claim to favor limited government, but insist on regulating our thoughts and beliefs. Maybe libertarians' minds are less modular... Interesting bit about values…I’ve always thought that libertarians are generally more consistent in applying their principles than others. Democrats favor abortion rights because women “own their own body,” but often favor smoking bans and anti-fat regulations. Republicans claim to favor limited government, but insist on regulating our thoughts and beliefs.

Maybe libertarians’ minds are less modular…

]]> By: Chris http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5351 Chris Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5351 You might find interesting, and I guarantee you will find educational, some of the recent work on goal systems and valuation. While it doesn't really speak to modularity (most of the work assumes a domain-general goal system with learned domain-specific representations), it certainly speaks to how we reason about values, and how context and domain may effect that reasoning. Two papers in particular may serve as good starting points, as they present fairly extensive literature reviews along with theoretical discussion. They are: Kruglanski, A. W., Shah, J. Y., Fishbach, A., Friedman, R., Chun, W. Y., & Sleeth-Keppler, D. (2002). <a href="http://cci.som.yale.edu/docs/A_Kruglanski.pdf" rel="nofollow">A theory of goal systems</a>. Advances in Experimental Social Psychology, 34, 331-378. Markman, A.B., & Brendl, C.M. (in press). <a href="http://www.psy.utexas.edu/psy/FACULTY/Markman/MB05.pdf" rel="nofollow">Goals, policies, preferences, and actions</a>. To appear in F.R. Kardes, P.M. Herr, & J. Nantel (Eds.) Applying Social Cognition to Consumer-focused Strategy. Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates. You might also find the now fairly extensive literature on protected values informative. It speaks more directly to the differences in the types of reasoning used for what we consider fungible and what we do not. The best place to start is with this paper: Baron, J., & Spranca, M. (1997). <a href="http://home.hanmir.com/~sddhkim/baron-value.pdf" rel="nofollow">Protected values</a>. Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 70(1), 1-16. However, this paper is much more recent and has conclusions that may be more relevant to certain philosophical issues concerning moral reasoning: Tanner, C. & Medin, D.L. (In Press). <a href="http://www.psych.nwu.edu/psych/people/faculty/tanner/T&M_doc.pdf" rel="nofollow">Protected values: No omission bias and no framing effects</a>. Psychonomic Bulletin & Review. You might find interesting, and I guarantee you will find educational, some of the recent work on goal systems and valuation. While it doesn’t really speak to modularity (most of the work assumes a domain-general goal system with learned domain-specific representations), it certainly speaks to how we reason about values, and how context and domain may effect that reasoning. Two papers in particular may serve as good starting points, as they present fairly extensive literature reviews along with theoretical discussion. They are:
Kruglanski, A. W., Shah, J. Y., Fishbach, A., Friedman, R., Chun, W. Y., & Sleeth-Keppler, D. (2002). A theory of goal systems. Advances in Experimental Social Psychology, 34, 331-378.

Markman, A.B., & Brendl, C.M. (in press). Goals, policies, preferences, and actions. To appear in F.R. Kardes, P.M. Herr, & J. Nantel (Eds.) Applying Social Cognition to Consumer-focused Strategy. Mahwah, NJ: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates.

You might also find the now fairly extensive literature on protected values informative. It speaks more directly to the differences in the types of reasoning used for what we consider fungible and what we do not. The best place to start is with this paper:
Baron, J., & Spranca, M. (1997). Protected values. Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 70(1), 1-16.

However, this paper is much more recent and has conclusions that may be more relevant to certain philosophical issues concerning moral reasoning:
Tanner, C. & Medin, D.L. (In Press). Protected values: No omission bias and no framing effects. Psychonomic Bulletin & Review.

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5352 Will Wilkinson Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5352 Thanks Chris! Awesome. I'll be looking it all up. Thanks Chris! Awesome. I’ll be looking it all up.

]]> By: brad http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5353 brad Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5353 Will, you might also check out Cass Sunstein's BBS article "Moral Heurestics". The preprint is here: <a href="http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/Sunstein-01102004/Referees/Sunstein.rev.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/Sunstein-01102004/Referees/Sunstein.rev.pdf</a> Some of Jon Haidt's work might be of interest too, in particular "Intuitive Ethics: How Innately Prepared Intuitions Generate Culturally Variable Virtues". You can find it here: <a href="http://wsrv.clas.virginia.edu/~jdh6n/publications.html" rel="nofollow">http://wsrv.clas.virginia.edu/~jdh6n/publications.html</a> Will, you might also check out Cass Sunstein’s BBS article “Moral Heurestics”. The preprint is here:
http://www.bbsonline.org/Preprints/Sunstein-01102004/Referees/Sunstein.rev.pdf
Some of Jon Haidt’s work might be of interest too, in particular “Intuitive Ethics: How Innately Prepared Intuitions Generate Culturally Variable Virtues”. You can find it here: http://wsrv.clas.virginia.edu/~jdh6n/publications.html

]]> By: Will Wilkinson http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5354 Will Wilkinson Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5354 Sweet. Thanks, Brad. I hope to see you at the party tomorrow. Sweet. Thanks, Brad. I hope to see you at the party tomorrow.

]]> By: bago http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5355 bago Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5355 The nigh-inherent behavior patterns at a low level could always be described as emotional. Such patterns will be surfaced in an effective manner when given a darwinin survival of the fittest context. However, in the past 5 thousand years, we've gone meta, and in the past 200 it's gone meta to the extreme. There's a point where you realize this thing keeps going, and damn it's cool. Data driven behaviors as side effects of emergent properties of competition and expansion make the general human quandry make so much more sense. Alpha types dominate because they have to, or else they will be destroyed by competition. What we perceive as effective sucessful traits will always be outliers on any populational curve, because of the nature of competition. The nigh-inherent behavior patterns at a low level could always be described as emotional. Such patterns will be surfaced in an effective manner when given a darwinin survival of the fittest context. However, in the past 5 thousand years, we’ve gone meta, and in the past 200 it’s gone meta to the extreme. There’s a point where you realize this thing keeps going, and damn it’s cool.

Data driven behaviors as side effects of emergent properties of competition and expansion make the general human quandry make so much more sense. Alpha types dominate because they have to, or else they will be destroyed by competition.

What we perceive as effective sucessful traits will always be outliers on any populational curve, because of the nature of competition.

]]> By: McClain http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/05/04/notes-on-modularity-value-pluralism-cultural-variation-etc/#comment-5356 McClain Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/?p=701#comment-5356 So crazies'n'druggies see what's real, but overlooked, maybe.... Different mental perception modules activated, different hot/cold mental bias. Same reality. Religious visionaries (like witch doctors, mediums...) as well? It's a long-standing, nagging fear for many folks, I think. The fear that THEY'RE NOT JUST CRAZY, IT'S NOT JUST THE DRUGS, etc. So crazies’n'druggies see what’s real, but overlooked, maybe….
Different mental perception modules activated, different hot/cold mental bias.
Same reality.
Religious visionaries (like witch doctors, mediums…) as well?
It’s a long-standing, nagging fear for many folks, I think.
The fear that THEY’RE NOT JUST CRAZY, IT’S NOT JUST THE DRUGS, etc.

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