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	<title>Comments on: Endogeneity and Justice</title>
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		<title>By: monkyboy</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4256</link>
		<dc:creator>monkyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you need to know the full range of options to know if a change is good or bad.  I can&#039;t imagine any set of steps that would lead us from Michael Jackson&#039;s child-diddling trial back to the Greek man-boy love ideal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you need to know the full range of options to know if a change is good or bad.  I can&#8217;t imagine any set of steps that would lead us from Michael Jackson&#8217;s child-diddling trial back to the Greek man-boy love ideal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4255</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 17:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minor point:

&quot;If you consider preferences exogenous, then it seems that a system that is efficient in a Pareto sense should be stable. By definition, nobody is worse off, and so everyone has a stake in system.&quot;

Pareto efficiency != stability.  Imagine a cooperative game in which any two of three players can dictate the allocation of X dollars.  All distributions are Pareto efficient, but none of them are stable, since there always exists a blocking coalition to any proposed allocation.

Another example would be the peasant-dictator game.  The equilibrium is for the peasant not to work, but that outcome is inefficient - they would both be better off if the peasant worked and gave some amount between 0 and X-c (where c is the cost of working and X is the surplus) to the Dictator.

Still, I see your point that preference endogeneity makes welfare analysis particularly difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor point:</p>
<p>&#8220;If you consider preferences exogenous, then it seems that a system that is efficient in a Pareto sense should be stable. By definition, nobody is worse off, and so everyone has a stake in system.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pareto efficiency != stability.  Imagine a cooperative game in which any two of three players can dictate the allocation of X dollars.  All distributions are Pareto efficient, but none of them are stable, since there always exists a blocking coalition to any proposed allocation.</p>
<p>Another example would be the peasant-dictator game.  The equilibrium is for the peasant not to work, but that outcome is inefficient &#8211; they would both be better off if the peasant worked and gave some amount between 0 and X-c (where c is the cost of working and X is the surplus) to the Dictator.</p>
<p>Still, I see your point that preference endogeneity makes welfare analysis particularly difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4254</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Rorty has it about right. Well, maybe Rorty with a bit of Pinkerian evolutionary psychology mixed in to put some form of constraint on our arbitrary rhetoric.

Your last question is a great one:

The trouble I’m having with folks who seem obsessed with the problem of specious stability is that I can’t quite make out what they’re using as the standard by which they wish to evaluate the quality of our present preferences.

This is what I&#039;ve never gotten about the post-modernists, post-structuralists, post-fill-in-the-blank-ists: if everything is socially contructed and entirely relative, why lean left? Why oppose free market transactions? Why say that the employer-employee or salesman-customer relationship is any more oppressive than the community-individual, democracy-voter relationship? I&#039;ve got no huge objection to the po-mo&#039;s other than their strange preferences for social democracy, which, apart from a small handful like Rorty, they don&#039;t admit is any more arbitrary than anything else (and even Rorty is not so great when it comes to things like &quot;democracy&quot; reinforcing its own legitimacy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Rorty has it about right. Well, maybe Rorty with a bit of Pinkerian evolutionary psychology mixed in to put some form of constraint on our arbitrary rhetoric.</p>
<p>Your last question is a great one:</p>
<p>The trouble I’m having with folks who seem obsessed with the problem of specious stability is that I can’t quite make out what they’re using as the standard by which they wish to evaluate the quality of our present preferences.</p>
<p>This is what I&#8217;ve never gotten about the post-modernists, post-structuralists, post-fill-in-the-blank-ists: if everything is socially contructed and entirely relative, why lean left? Why oppose free market transactions? Why say that the employer-employee or salesman-customer relationship is any more oppressive than the community-individual, democracy-voter relationship? I&#8217;ve got no huge objection to the po-mo&#8217;s other than their strange preferences for social democracy, which, apart from a small handful like Rorty, they don&#8217;t admit is any more arbitrary than anything else (and even Rorty is not so great when it comes to things like &#8220;democracy&#8221; reinforcing its own legitimacy).</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4253</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

I think the Pinker pro-natural selection version of Chomsky is just about right. I believe in something like UG,and am a nativist about it.

Most of the work on endogenous preferences is leftwingish. Gintis &amp; Bowles lead the field, I think. And there&#039;s that book from the Z magazine guy. Bob Cooter at Berkeley may be your best bet for a more libertarianism persepctive. And of course there&#039;s Hayek on cultural evolution and selection. Look at Doug North&#039;s new book, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>I think the Pinker pro-natural selection version of Chomsky is just about right. I believe in something like UG,and am a nativist about it.</p>
<p>Most of the work on endogenous preferences is leftwingish. Gintis &amp; Bowles lead the field, I think. And there&#8217;s that book from the Z magazine guy. Bob Cooter at Berkeley may be your best bet for a more libertarianism persepctive. And of course there&#8217;s Hayek on cultural evolution and selection. Look at Doug North&#8217;s new book, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Waligore</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4252</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Waligore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 14:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will- I&#039;m curious whether you think Chomsky was right about universal grammar? If you do not, what is your interest in developing Rawls following Chomsky? (since this is not just scholarship on Rawls, but you reading into Rawls.)

(I have absolutely no idea whether Chomsky is right or not; I just hear people say that he set the agenda, but was ultimately wrong.)

Also, I&#039;m wondering if you wouldn&#039;t mind back-channeling me
( tpw  a t  alum  dot dartmouth dot org)
Part of what I&#039;m working on now involves adaptive preference change and equal opportunity, so I&#039;m interested in cites for lit on endogenous preference change, particularly  lit that might balance a more a more &#039;leftist&#039; perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will- I&#8217;m curious whether you think Chomsky was right about universal grammar? If you do not, what is your interest in developing Rawls following Chomsky? (since this is not just scholarship on Rawls, but you reading into Rawls.)</p>
<p>(I have absolutely no idea whether Chomsky is right or not; I just hear people say that he set the agenda, but was ultimately wrong.)</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m wondering if you wouldn&#8217;t mind back-channeling me<br />
( tpw  a t  alum  dot dartmouth dot org)<br />
Part of what I&#8217;m working on now involves adaptive preference change and equal opportunity, so I&#8217;m interested in cites for lit on endogenous preference change, particularly  lit that might balance a more a more &#8216;leftist&#8217; perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4251</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, OK, if we elaborate on the chomsky analogy to the linguistic capacity, what we have is an innate faculty with a universl deep structure. That deep structure is like a bunch of knobs that can be tuned to different settings. But the knobs and the range of settings on the knobs, and some necessary relationships between settings are constant. So we can get head first or head last languages. The adjective can come before of after the noun. And there are much more complicated grammatical variations. But these variations are each expressions of a unversal structure. This structure limits the range of possible languages. And there are artificial languages that you can devise that have logically coherent rules. But if they violate the rules of UG, they are not possible human languages. So the structure of UG is fixed with respect to the developmental or institutional environment. It allows for great variation. French, Urdu, what have you. But it doesn&#039;t allow for just anything. A universal moral grammar would allow for fairly broad variations between cultures. And these variations are likely to be sensitive to the developmental and institutional environment. But the basic structure sets the boundaries for a possible human morality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, OK, if we elaborate on the chomsky analogy to the linguistic capacity, what we have is an innate faculty with a universl deep structure. That deep structure is like a bunch of knobs that can be tuned to different settings. But the knobs and the range of settings on the knobs, and some necessary relationships between settings are constant. So we can get head first or head last languages. The adjective can come before of after the noun. And there are much more complicated grammatical variations. But these variations are each expressions of a unversal structure. This structure limits the range of possible languages. And there are artificial languages that you can devise that have logically coherent rules. But if they violate the rules of UG, they are not possible human languages. So the structure of UG is fixed with respect to the developmental or institutional environment. It allows for great variation. French, Urdu, what have you. But it doesn&#8217;t allow for just anything. A universal moral grammar would allow for fairly broad variations between cultures. And these variations are likely to be sensitive to the developmental and institutional environment. But the basic structure sets the boundaries for a possible human morality.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4250</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, I&#039;m basically reading a lot into Rawls here, in an effort to clarify ideas of my own.

But the key to this bit of Rawls in on p. 41 of the second edition of TJ.

&quot;Now one may think of moral theory at first (and I stress the provisional nature of this view) as the attempt to describe our moral capacity; or, in the present case, one may regard a theory of justice as describing our sense of justice. . . .

&quot;A useful comparison here is with the problem of describing the sense of grammaticalness that we have for sentences of our native language.[cite to Chomsky] In this case the aim is to characterize the ability to recognize well-formed sentences by formulating clearly expressed principles which make the same discriminations as the native speaker. This undertaking is known to require theoretical constructions that far outrun the ad hoc precepts of our explicit grammatical knowledge. A similar situation presumably holds in moral theory . . .&quot;

This passage together with the cite to Chomsky make it pretty clear that Rawls is thinking of our sense of justice as something like a universal moral grammar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, I&#8217;m basically reading a lot into Rawls here, in an effort to clarify ideas of my own.</p>
<p>But the key to this bit of Rawls in on p. 41 of the second edition of TJ.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now one may think of moral theory at first (and I stress the provisional nature of this view) as the attempt to describe our moral capacity; or, in the present case, one may regard a theory of justice as describing our sense of justice. . . .</p>
<p>&#8220;A useful comparison here is with the problem of describing the sense of grammaticalness that we have for sentences of our native language.[cite to Chomsky] In this case the aim is to characterize the ability to recognize well-formed sentences by formulating clearly expressed principles which make the same discriminations as the native speaker. This undertaking is known to require theoretical constructions that far outrun the ad hoc precepts of our explicit grammatical knowledge. A similar situation presumably holds in moral theory . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>This passage together with the cite to Chomsky make it pretty clear that Rawls is thinking of our sense of justice as something like a universal moral grammar.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dingel</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4249</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dingel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I plead guilty to not having read Rawls. Could you elaborate on what he considers to be the limit of endogenous preference change? I haven&#039;t previously heard/read a description of his &quot;universal moral grammar.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I plead guilty to not having read Rawls. Could you elaborate on what he considers to be the limit of endogenous preference change? I haven&#8217;t previously heard/read a description of his &#8220;universal moral grammar.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dingel</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4241</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dingel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I plead guilty to not having read Rawls. Could you elaborate on what he considers to be the limit of endogenous preference change? I haven&#039;t previously heard/read a description of his &quot;universal moral grammar.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I plead guilty to not having read Rawls. Could you elaborate on what he considers to be the limit of endogenous preference change? I haven&#8217;t previously heard/read a description of his &#8220;universal moral grammar.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, I&#039;m basically reading a lot into Rawls here, in an effort to clarify ideas of my own.

But the key to this bit of Rawls in on p. 41 of the second edition of TJ.

&quot;Now one may think of moral theory at first (and I stress the provisional nature of this view) as the attempt to describe our moral capacity; or, in the present case, one may regard a theory of justice as describing our sense of justice. . . .

&quot;A useful comparison here is with the problem of describing the sense of grammaticalness that we have for sentences of our native language.[cite to Chomsky] In this case the aim is to characterize the ability to recognize well-formed sentences by formulating clearly expressed principles which make the same discriminations as the native speaker. This undertaking is known to require theoretical constructions that far outrun the ad hoc precepts of our explicit grammatical knowledge. A similar situation presumably holds in moral theory . . .&quot;

This passage together with the cite to Chomsky make it pretty clear that Rawls is thinking of our sense of justice as something like a universal moral grammar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, I&#8217;m basically reading a lot into Rawls here, in an effort to clarify ideas of my own.</p>
<p>But the key to this bit of Rawls in on p. 41 of the second edition of TJ.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now one may think of moral theory at first (and I stress the provisional nature of this view) as the attempt to describe our moral capacity; or, in the present case, one may regard a theory of justice as describing our sense of justice. . . .</p>
<p>&#8220;A useful comparison here is with the problem of describing the sense of grammaticalness that we have for sentences of our native language.[cite to Chomsky] In this case the aim is to characterize the ability to recognize well-formed sentences by formulating clearly expressed principles which make the same discriminations as the native speaker. This undertaking is known to require theoretical constructions that far outrun the ad hoc precepts of our explicit grammatical knowledge. A similar situation presumably holds in moral theory . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>This passage together with the cite to Chomsky make it pretty clear that Rawls is thinking of our sense of justice as something like a universal moral grammar.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4243</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, OK, if we elaborate on the chomsky analogy to the linguistic capacity, what we have is an innate faculty with a universl deep structure. That deep structure is like a bunch of knobs that can be tuned to different settings. But the knobs and the range of settings on the knobs, and some necessary relationships between settings are constant. So we can get head first or head last languages. The adjective can come before of after the noun. And there are much more complicated grammatical variations. But these variations are each expressions of a unversal structure. This structure limits the range of possible languages. And there are artificial languages that you can devise that have logically coherent rules. But if they violate the rules of UG, they are not possible human languages. So the structure of UG is fixed with respect to the developmental or institutional environment. It allows for great variation. French, Urdu, what have you. But it doesn&#039;t allow for just anything. A universal moral grammar would allow for fairly broad variations between cultures. And these variations are likely to be sensitive to the developmental and institutional environment. But the basic structure sets the boundaries for a possible human morality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, OK, if we elaborate on the chomsky analogy to the linguistic capacity, what we have is an innate faculty with a universl deep structure. That deep structure is like a bunch of knobs that can be tuned to different settings. But the knobs and the range of settings on the knobs, and some necessary relationships between settings are constant. So we can get head first or head last languages. The adjective can come before of after the noun. And there are much more complicated grammatical variations. But these variations are each expressions of a unversal structure. This structure limits the range of possible languages. And there are artificial languages that you can devise that have logically coherent rules. But if they violate the rules of UG, they are not possible human languages. So the structure of UG is fixed with respect to the developmental or institutional environment. It allows for great variation. French, Urdu, what have you. But it doesn&#8217;t allow for just anything. A universal moral grammar would allow for fairly broad variations between cultures. And these variations are likely to be sensitive to the developmental and institutional environment. But the basic structure sets the boundaries for a possible human morality.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Waligore</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4244</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Waligore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will- I&#039;m curious whether you think Chomsky was right about universal grammar? If you do not, what is your interest in developing Rawls following Chomsky? (since this is not just scholarship on Rawls, but you reading into Rawls.)

(I have absolutely no idea whether Chomsky is right or not; I just hear people say that he set the agenda, but was ultimately wrong.)

Also, I&#039;m wondering if you wouldn&#039;t mind back-channeling me
( tpw  a t  alum  dot dartmouth dot org)
Part of what I&#039;m working on now involves adaptive preference change and equal opportunity, so I&#039;m interested in cites for lit on endogenous preference change, particularly  lit that might balance a more a more &#039;leftist&#039; perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will- I&#8217;m curious whether you think Chomsky was right about universal grammar? If you do not, what is your interest in developing Rawls following Chomsky? (since this is not just scholarship on Rawls, but you reading into Rawls.)</p>
<p>(I have absolutely no idea whether Chomsky is right or not; I just hear people say that he set the agenda, but was ultimately wrong.)</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;m wondering if you wouldn&#8217;t mind back-channeling me<br />
( tpw  a t  alum  dot dartmouth dot org)<br />
Part of what I&#8217;m working on now involves adaptive preference change and equal opportunity, so I&#8217;m interested in cites for lit on endogenous preference change, particularly  lit that might balance a more a more &#8216;leftist&#8217; perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4245</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

I think the Pinker pro-natural selection version of Chomsky is just about right. I believe in something like UG,and am a nativist about it.

Most of the work on endogenous preferences is leftwingish. Gintis &amp; Bowles lead the field, I think. And there&#039;s that book from the Z magazine guy. Bob Cooter at Berkeley may be your best bet for a more libertarianism persepctive. And of course there&#039;s Hayek on cultural evolution and selection. Look at Doug North&#039;s new book, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>I think the Pinker pro-natural selection version of Chomsky is just about right. I believe in something like UG,and am a nativist about it.</p>
<p>Most of the work on endogenous preferences is leftwingish. Gintis &#038; Bowles lead the field, I think. And there&#8217;s that book from the Z magazine guy. Bob Cooter at Berkeley may be your best bet for a more libertarianism persepctive. And of course there&#8217;s Hayek on cultural evolution and selection. Look at Doug North&#8217;s new book, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4246</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Rorty has it about right. Well, maybe Rorty with a bit of Pinkerian evolutionary psychology mixed in to put some form of constraint on our arbitrary rhetoric.

Your last question is a great one:

The trouble I’m having with folks who seem obsessed with the problem of specious stability is that I can’t quite make out what they’re using as the standard by which they wish to evaluate the quality of our present preferences.

This is what I&#039;ve never gotten about the post-modernists, post-structuralists, post-fill-in-the-blank-ists: if everything is socially contructed and entirely relative, why lean left? Why oppose free market transactions? Why say that the employer-employee or salesman-customer relationship is any more oppressive than the community-individual, democracy-voter relationship? I&#039;ve got no huge objection to the po-mo&#039;s other than their strange preferences for social democracy, which, apart from a small handful like Rorty, they don&#039;t admit is any more arbitrary than anything else (and even Rorty is not so great when it comes to things like &quot;democracy&quot; reinforcing its own legitimacy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Rorty has it about right. Well, maybe Rorty with a bit of Pinkerian evolutionary psychology mixed in to put some form of constraint on our arbitrary rhetoric.</p>
<p>Your last question is a great one:</p>
<p>The trouble I’m having with folks who seem obsessed with the problem of specious stability is that I can’t quite make out what they’re using as the standard by which they wish to evaluate the quality of our present preferences.</p>
<p>This is what I&#8217;ve never gotten about the post-modernists, post-structuralists, post-fill-in-the-blank-ists: if everything is socially contructed and entirely relative, why lean left? Why oppose free market transactions? Why say that the employer-employee or salesman-customer relationship is any more oppressive than the community-individual, democracy-voter relationship? I&#8217;ve got no huge objection to the po-mo&#8217;s other than their strange preferences for social democracy, which, apart from a small handful like Rorty, they don&#8217;t admit is any more arbitrary than anything else (and even Rorty is not so great when it comes to things like &#8220;democracy&#8221; reinforcing its own legitimacy).</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/02/04/endogeneity-and-justice/#comment-4247</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minor point:

&quot;If you consider preferences exogenous, then it seems that a system that is efficient in a Pareto sense should be stable. By definition, nobody is worse off, and so everyone has a stake in system.&quot;

Pareto efficiency != stability.  Imagine a cooperative game in which any two of three players can dictate the allocation of X dollars.  All distributions are Pareto efficient, but none of them are stable, since there always exists a blocking coalition to any proposed allocation.

Another example would be the peasant-dictator game.  The equilibrium is for the peasant not to work, but that outcome is inefficient - they would both be better off if the peasant worked and gave some amount between 0 and X-c (where c is the cost of working and X is the surplus) to the Dictator.

Still, I see your point that preference endogeneity makes welfare analysis particularly difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor point:</p>
<p>&#8220;If you consider preferences exogenous, then it seems that a system that is efficient in a Pareto sense should be stable. By definition, nobody is worse off, and so everyone has a stake in system.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pareto efficiency != stability.  Imagine a cooperative game in which any two of three players can dictate the allocation of X dollars.  All distributions are Pareto efficient, but none of them are stable, since there always exists a blocking coalition to any proposed allocation.</p>
<p>Another example would be the peasant-dictator game.  The equilibrium is for the peasant not to work, but that outcome is inefficient &#8211; they would both be better off if the peasant worked and gave some amount between 0 and X-c (where c is the cost of working and X is the surplus) to the Dictator.</p>
<p>Still, I see your point that preference endogeneity makes welfare analysis particularly difficult.</p>
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