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	<description>The Sweet Release of Reason</description>
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		<title>By: Thuy Anh</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3727</link>
		<dc:creator>Thuy Anh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing.</description>
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		<title>By: Thuy Anh</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3745</link>
		<dc:creator>Thuy Anh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing.</description>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3744</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because poor people need it more. Diminishing marginal utility, and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because poor people need it more. Diminishing marginal utility, and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: John T. Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3743</link>
		<dc:creator>John T. Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micha,

&quot;That is certainly a more worthy cause than coercing Americans into giving money to other relatively wealthy Americans.&quot;

Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micha,</p>
<p>&#8220;That is certainly a more worthy cause than coercing Americans into giving money to other relatively wealthy Americans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3742</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, lifeboat ethics. The sacred escape hatch of all libertarians stuck in a contradiction of their own creation.

Listen, Chuck: If you think saving the lives of poor Africans is a worthy use of government coercion - that is to say, if you think it is okay to put a gun to another human&#039;s head and say to them &quot;give money to this poor person or I will shoot you,&quot; then fine. That is certainly a more worthy cause than coercing Americans into giving money to other relatively wealthy Americans. At least you have that going for you.

But don&#039;t claim that this act is unobjectionable. I can think of thousands of other worthy causes too -- adequate housing, food, education, heathcare -- the list goes on and on. There is already a word for people who think that it is unobjectionable for the government to try to solve these problems, and that word is not &quot;libertarian.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, lifeboat ethics. The sacred escape hatch of all libertarians stuck in a contradiction of their own creation.</p>
<p>Listen, Chuck: If you think saving the lives of poor Africans is a worthy use of government coercion &#8211; that is to say, if you think it is okay to put a gun to another human&#8217;s head and say to them &#8220;give money to this poor person or I will shoot you,&#8221; then fine. That is certainly a more worthy cause than coercing Americans into giving money to other relatively wealthy Americans. At least you have that going for you.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t claim that this act is unobjectionable. I can think of thousands of other worthy causes too &#8212; adequate housing, food, education, heathcare &#8212; the list goes on and on. There is already a word for people who think that it is unobjectionable for the government to try to solve these problems, and that word is not &#8220;libertarian.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3741</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micha,

There&#039;s a saying that &quot;Hard cases make bad law.&quot;

Since we&#039;re talking about a case in which the lives of millions of human beings are at stake, I dare say that the question of adherence to an ideology on the size and scope of government at this point is moot.  This is a situation of lifeboat ethics. If a little internal incoherence on the part of myself and other small government types would lead to saving the lives of millions, well, I say bring it.

If there are cases where government action could solve a coordination problem, wouldn&#039;t encourage moral hazard, etc, etc. I&#039;m ready to violate the sacred tenets of minarchism to save a few million souls.

So congratulations, Micha, you are officially more hardcore than me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micha,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a saying that &#8220;Hard cases make bad law.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since we&#8217;re talking about a case in which the lives of millions of human beings are at stake, I dare say that the question of adherence to an ideology on the size and scope of government at this point is moot.  This is a situation of lifeboat ethics. If a little internal incoherence on the part of myself and other small government types would lead to saving the lives of millions, well, I say bring it.</p>
<p>If there are cases where government action could solve a coordination problem, wouldn&#8217;t encourage moral hazard, etc, etc. I&#8217;m ready to violate the sacred tenets of minarchism to save a few million souls.</p>
<p>So congratulations, Micha, you are officially more hardcore than me.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3740</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The very point of this UN recommendation is that development aid ought to be a massive, unified, centrally directed effort, which invites a &quot;thums up/thumbs down&quot; vote on it. That&#039;s the very trouble with Sach&#039;s vision.

Whenever someone starts talking about a &quot;New Marshall Plan,&quot; it&#039;s time to holler &quot;check, please.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very point of this UN recommendation is that development aid ought to be a massive, unified, centrally directed effort, which invites a &#8220;thums up/thumbs down&#8221; vote on it. That&#8217;s the very trouble with Sach&#8217;s vision.</p>
<p>Whenever someone starts talking about a &#8220;New Marshall Plan,&#8221; it&#8217;s time to holler &#8220;check, please.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3739</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to get my libertarian card taken away for this but...I don&#039;t think it would impossible or &lt;b&gt;objectionable&lt;/b&gt; for government assistance to help achieve this goal.

Revoked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to get my libertarian card taken away for this but&#8230;I don&#8217;t think it would impossible or <b>objectionable</b> for government assistance to help achieve this goal.</p>
<p>Revoked.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3738</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck, Sure. Some aid is effective. Some education and health programs have good records, as do some clean water programs, etc. But it remains that this accounts for a miniscule fraction of the money spent on development aid. And there is no evidence that the UN project plans to approach the problem in a thoughtful and effective way. It will be more of the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, Sure. Some aid is effective. Some education and health programs have good records, as do some clean water programs, etc. But it remains that this accounts for a miniscule fraction of the money spent on development aid. And there is no evidence that the UN project plans to approach the problem in a thoughtful and effective way. It will be more of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3737</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to get my libertarian card taken away for this but let me offer a second to MYglesias&#039;s most trenchant point.

It&#039;s not helpful to lump all government development aid in one pot and then have a thumbs up/thumbs down vote on whether it&#039;s effective or not.

We would profit from a subtler, more careful analysis.  Certain types of aid could probably reap enormous benefits if calculated in &quot;lives saved/dollars spent.&quot;  I&#039;m thinking about the production, purchase, distribution and use of DDT to fight malaria in Africa as an example, provided that it&#039;s done efficiently.  I don&#039;t think it would impossible or objectionable for government assistance to help achieve this goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to get my libertarian card taken away for this but let me offer a second to MYglesias&#8217;s most trenchant point.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not helpful to lump all government development aid in one pot and then have a thumbs up/thumbs down vote on whether it&#8217;s effective or not.</p>
<p>We would profit from a subtler, more careful analysis.  Certain types of aid could probably reap enormous benefits if calculated in &#8220;lives saved/dollars spent.&#8221;  I&#8217;m thinking about the production, purchase, distribution and use of DDT to fight malaria in Africa as an example, provided that it&#8217;s done efficiently.  I don&#8217;t think it would impossible or objectionable for government assistance to help achieve this goal.</p>
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