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	<description>The Sweet Release of Reason</description>
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		<title>By: Thuy Anh</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3727</link>
		<dc:creator>Thuy Anh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing.</description>
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		<title>By: Thuy Anh</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3745</link>
		<dc:creator>Thuy Anh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing.</description>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3744</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because poor people need it more. Diminishing marginal utility, and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because poor people need it more. Diminishing marginal utility, and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: John T. Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3743</link>
		<dc:creator>John T. Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micha,

&quot;That is certainly a more worthy cause than coercing Americans into giving money to other relatively wealthy Americans.&quot;

Why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micha,</p>
<p>&#8220;That is certainly a more worthy cause than coercing Americans into giving money to other relatively wealthy Americans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3742</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, lifeboat ethics. The sacred escape hatch of all libertarians stuck in a contradiction of their own creation.

Listen, Chuck: If you think saving the lives of poor Africans is a worthy use of government coercion - that is to say, if you think it is okay to put a gun to another human&#039;s head and say to them &quot;give money to this poor person or I will shoot you,&quot; then fine. That is certainly a more worthy cause than coercing Americans into giving money to other relatively wealthy Americans. At least you have that going for you.

But don&#039;t claim that this act is unobjectionable. I can think of thousands of other worthy causes too -- adequate housing, food, education, heathcare -- the list goes on and on. There is already a word for people who think that it is unobjectionable for the government to try to solve these problems, and that word is not &quot;libertarian.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, lifeboat ethics. The sacred escape hatch of all libertarians stuck in a contradiction of their own creation.</p>
<p>Listen, Chuck: If you think saving the lives of poor Africans is a worthy use of government coercion &#8211; that is to say, if you think it is okay to put a gun to another human&#8217;s head and say to them &#8220;give money to this poor person or I will shoot you,&#8221; then fine. That is certainly a more worthy cause than coercing Americans into giving money to other relatively wealthy Americans. At least you have that going for you.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t claim that this act is unobjectionable. I can think of thousands of other worthy causes too &#8212; adequate housing, food, education, heathcare &#8212; the list goes on and on. There is already a word for people who think that it is unobjectionable for the government to try to solve these problems, and that word is not &#8220;libertarian.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3741</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micha,

There&#039;s a saying that &quot;Hard cases make bad law.&quot;

Since we&#039;re talking about a case in which the lives of millions of human beings are at stake, I dare say that the question of adherence to an ideology on the size and scope of government at this point is moot.  This is a situation of lifeboat ethics. If a little internal incoherence on the part of myself and other small government types would lead to saving the lives of millions, well, I say bring it.

If there are cases where government action could solve a coordination problem, wouldn&#039;t encourage moral hazard, etc, etc. I&#039;m ready to violate the sacred tenets of minarchism to save a few million souls.

So congratulations, Micha, you are officially more hardcore than me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micha,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a saying that &#8220;Hard cases make bad law.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since we&#8217;re talking about a case in which the lives of millions of human beings are at stake, I dare say that the question of adherence to an ideology on the size and scope of government at this point is moot.  This is a situation of lifeboat ethics. If a little internal incoherence on the part of myself and other small government types would lead to saving the lives of millions, well, I say bring it.</p>
<p>If there are cases where government action could solve a coordination problem, wouldn&#8217;t encourage moral hazard, etc, etc. I&#8217;m ready to violate the sacred tenets of minarchism to save a few million souls.</p>
<p>So congratulations, Micha, you are officially more hardcore than me.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3740</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The very point of this UN recommendation is that development aid ought to be a massive, unified, centrally directed effort, which invites a &quot;thums up/thumbs down&quot; vote on it. That&#039;s the very trouble with Sach&#039;s vision.

Whenever someone starts talking about a &quot;New Marshall Plan,&quot; it&#039;s time to holler &quot;check, please.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The very point of this UN recommendation is that development aid ought to be a massive, unified, centrally directed effort, which invites a &#8220;thums up/thumbs down&#8221; vote on it. That&#8217;s the very trouble with Sach&#8217;s vision.</p>
<p>Whenever someone starts talking about a &#8220;New Marshall Plan,&#8221; it&#8217;s time to holler &#8220;check, please.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3739</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to get my libertarian card taken away for this but...I don&#039;t think it would impossible or &lt;b&gt;objectionable&lt;/b&gt; for government assistance to help achieve this goal.

Revoked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to get my libertarian card taken away for this but&#8230;I don&#8217;t think it would impossible or <b>objectionable</b> for government assistance to help achieve this goal.</p>
<p>Revoked.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3738</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck, Sure. Some aid is effective. Some education and health programs have good records, as do some clean water programs, etc. But it remains that this accounts for a miniscule fraction of the money spent on development aid. And there is no evidence that the UN project plans to approach the problem in a thoughtful and effective way. It will be more of the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, Sure. Some aid is effective. Some education and health programs have good records, as do some clean water programs, etc. But it remains that this accounts for a miniscule fraction of the money spent on development aid. And there is no evidence that the UN project plans to approach the problem in a thoughtful and effective way. It will be more of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3737</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to get my libertarian card taken away for this but let me offer a second to MYglesias&#039;s most trenchant point.

It&#039;s not helpful to lump all government development aid in one pot and then have a thumbs up/thumbs down vote on whether it&#039;s effective or not.

We would profit from a subtler, more careful analysis.  Certain types of aid could probably reap enormous benefits if calculated in &quot;lives saved/dollars spent.&quot;  I&#039;m thinking about the production, purchase, distribution and use of DDT to fight malaria in Africa as an example, provided that it&#039;s done efficiently.  I don&#039;t think it would impossible or objectionable for government assistance to help achieve this goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to get my libertarian card taken away for this but let me offer a second to MYglesias&#8217;s most trenchant point.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not helpful to lump all government development aid in one pot and then have a thumbs up/thumbs down vote on whether it&#8217;s effective or not.</p>
<p>We would profit from a subtler, more careful analysis.  Certain types of aid could probably reap enormous benefits if calculated in &#8220;lives saved/dollars spent.&#8221;  I&#8217;m thinking about the production, purchase, distribution and use of DDT to fight malaria in Africa as an example, provided that it&#8217;s done efficiently.  I don&#8217;t think it would impossible or objectionable for government assistance to help achieve this goal.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kerry</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3736</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>0.5% sounds okay to me, just as long as not one penny goes to build a firehouse for those bloodsucking Iraqi parasites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>0.5% sounds okay to me, just as long as not one penny goes to build a firehouse for those bloodsucking Iraqi parasites.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3735</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Will.

Didn&#039;t the U.S. income tax start out at around 1/2% as well?  We all know how that turned out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Will.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t the U.S. income tax start out at around 1/2% as well?  We all know how that turned out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dannarruca</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3734</link>
		<dc:creator>dannarruca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Land of magical giants. That&#039;s good. I think there is a bias in articles to trying to identify &quot;what should be done,&quot; like you say. It&#039;s hard to understand that things happen, and sometimes it&#039;s better to &quot;let things happen&quot; than try to figure out a fix that is no fix at all.

As for social security, I think you&#039;re blinded by your own cognitive bias. First, there is a moral argument for private property--it&#039;s called capitalism. If these private accounts were really private, I could take them out, invest them where I wanted, buy bubble gum cards, etc. But that&#039;s not what they are, and I don&#039;t see the point in pretending they are.

Social security is old age insurance, and I&#039;m glad it&#039;s there because I sure don&#039;t want mom living in the convered garage. You can complain about the moral injustice of forced savings, but that isn&#039;t solved by &quot;private accounts.&quot; It works as a form of life insurance in which everyone who dies before 65 supports the superannuated. Private accounts, in which wealth is passed on and not pooled, makes sustaining the system that much more expensive. We could have a system like car insurance where individuals are forced to buy some minimum level of old age insurace. Maybe it would be cheaper, maybe it wouldn&#039;t. But private accounts are no solution at all because they are not private and they&#039;re not insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Land of magical giants. That&#8217;s good. I think there is a bias in articles to trying to identify &#8220;what should be done,&#8221; like you say. It&#8217;s hard to understand that things happen, and sometimes it&#8217;s better to &#8220;let things happen&#8221; than try to figure out a fix that is no fix at all.</p>
<p>As for social security, I think you&#8217;re blinded by your own cognitive bias. First, there is a moral argument for private property&#8211;it&#8217;s called capitalism. If these private accounts were really private, I could take them out, invest them where I wanted, buy bubble gum cards, etc. But that&#8217;s not what they are, and I don&#8217;t see the point in pretending they are.</p>
<p>Social security is old age insurance, and I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s there because I sure don&#8217;t want mom living in the convered garage. You can complain about the moral injustice of forced savings, but that isn&#8217;t solved by &#8220;private accounts.&#8221; It works as a form of life insurance in which everyone who dies before 65 supports the superannuated. Private accounts, in which wealth is passed on and not pooled, makes sustaining the system that much more expensive. We could have a system like car insurance where individuals are forced to buy some minimum level of old age insurace. Maybe it would be cheaper, maybe it wouldn&#8217;t. But private accounts are no solution at all because they are not private and they&#8217;re not insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: monkyboy</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3733</link>
		<dc:creator>monkyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year foreigners loaned the United States over 500 billion dollars. Some of that went to help our countries poor, some of it went for economic development, and a large percentage went into the pockets of corrupt officials.

Will we ever be able to pay back the $1.8 trillion that foreigners have lent to us? That is uncertain.  Many libertarians argue we should default on these charitable loans.

The United States is by far the largest recipient of foreign aid.  Our Magical Giant would collapse if the Chinese and Japanese Magical Giants discontinued their charitable contributions.

Be careful what you wish for...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year foreigners loaned the United States over 500 billion dollars. Some of that went to help our countries poor, some of it went for economic development, and a large percentage went into the pockets of corrupt officials.</p>
<p>Will we ever be able to pay back the $1.8 trillion that foreigners have lent to us? That is uncertain.  Many libertarians argue we should default on these charitable loans.</p>
<p>The United States is by far the largest recipient of foreign aid.  Our Magical Giant would collapse if the Chinese and Japanese Magical Giants discontinued their charitable contributions.</p>
<p>Be careful what you wish for&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Antoinette</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2005/01/19/un-millenium-project/#comment-3732</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie Antoinette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo Will!  I&#039;m sick and tired of other countries (often via the UN) feeling entitled to OUR wealth for eradicating their fucking problems. Let them eat cake! Their best bet would be to emulate our freedom, rule of law, and hard work and quit leeching off of us. We have no moral obligation to go along with ill-conceived schemes to solve the problem that even Jesus Christ said couldn&#039;t be solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo Will!  I&#8217;m sick and tired of other countries (often via the UN) feeling entitled to OUR wealth for eradicating their fucking problems. Let them eat cake! Their best bet would be to emulate our freedom, rule of law, and hard work and quit leeching off of us. We have no moral obligation to go along with ill-conceived schemes to solve the problem that even Jesus Christ said couldn&#8217;t be solved.</p>
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