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	<title>Comments on: Mary Warnock and the Culture of Life</title>
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	<description>The Sweet Release of Reason</description>
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		<title>By: penis extenders</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/15/mary-warnock-and-the-culture-of-life/#comment-2876</link>
		<dc:creator>penis extenders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you the way you view the issue. I remember Jack London once said everything positive has a negative side; everything negative has positive side. It is also interesting to see different viewpoints &amp; learn useful things in the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you the way you view the issue. I remember Jack London once said everything positive has a negative side; everything negative has positive side. It is also interesting to see different viewpoints &amp; learn useful things in the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: penis extenders</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/15/mary-warnock-and-the-culture-of-life/#comment-2875</link>
		<dc:creator>penis extenders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you the way you view the issue. I remember Jack London once said everything positive has a negative side; everything negative has positive side. It is also interesting to see different viewpoints &amp; learn useful things in the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you the way you view the issue. I remember Jack London once said everything positive has a negative side; everything negative has positive side. It is also interesting to see different viewpoints &amp; learn useful things in the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Gould</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/15/mary-warnock-and-the-culture-of-life/#comment-2874</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2005 08:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For people to face death rationally and make rational choices about it would be profoundly bad for the present society.  After all, if you knew that you were going to die in a month, why not wrap yourself in explosives and say hello to your least favorite person?  Death is a resource, like money or life, that can be spent toward one&#039;s personal values.  But it is a resource with too much purchasing power for society to allow people to spend it rationally.

Hence the fixation on taking all rational calculation and cost-benefit analysis out of death.  If people are permitted to consider death rationally, some will, and their values may not be yours.  That, I think, is the central fear:  Rational thinking at a point where society&#039;s constraints and rewards cannot apply will lead to collapse and anarchy.
 --G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For people to face death rationally and make rational choices about it would be profoundly bad for the present society.  After all, if you knew that you were going to die in a month, why not wrap yourself in explosives and say hello to your least favorite person?  Death is a resource, like money or life, that can be spent toward one&#8217;s personal values.  But it is a resource with too much purchasing power for society to allow people to spend it rationally.</p>
<p>Hence the fixation on taking all rational calculation and cost-benefit analysis out of death.  If people are permitted to consider death rationally, some will, and their values may not be yours.  That, I think, is the central fear:  Rational thinking at a point where society&#8217;s constraints and rewards cannot apply will lead to collapse and anarchy.<br />
 &#8211;G</p>
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		<title>By: d&#101;bt c&#111;ns&#111;l&#38;#10</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/15/mary-warnock-and-the-culture-of-life/#comment-2873</link>
		<dc:creator>d&#101;bt c&#111;ns&#111;l&#38;#10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kamen Shoylev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kamen Shoylev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the argument that the current normative position may encourage medical research and therefore the prolongation of quality life - the knowledge that people will be prepared to spend on keeping themselves alive is surely mobilizing much R&amp;D;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the argument that the current normative position may encourage medical research and therefore the prolongation of quality life &#8211; the knowledge that people will be prepared to spend on keeping themselves alive is surely mobilizing much R&amp;D;?</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Easwaran</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/15/mary-warnock-and-the-culture-of-life/#comment-2871</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny Easwaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting to see this discussion come up here.  I&#039;ve wondered whether libertarians tend towards the deontological or the consequentialist view of ethics.  Generally, I&#039;ve suspected libertarianism as a whole (granted, that&#039;s not the position of any individual) of leaning extremeley far in a deontological direction, with all its talk of &quot;rights&quot; to freedom and liberty and all.  But then libertarians come back with all sorts of arguments that are supposed to show that free markets are the most effective way to distribute goods and services, suggesting that they hold to these economic views for consequentialist reasons.    Not having read the article you link to, I&#039;d guess that this post puts you relatively far on the consequentialist side (as I consider myself).  But libertarianism as a political program seems hard to me to justify on such grounds - rather, it seems more likely that certain sectors would be extremely regulated, others would be totally free, and others would be in between, instead of the absolutes that libertarianism seems to be framed in terms of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting to see this discussion come up here.  I&#8217;ve wondered whether libertarians tend towards the deontological or the consequentialist view of ethics.  Generally, I&#8217;ve suspected libertarianism as a whole (granted, that&#8217;s not the position of any individual) of leaning extremeley far in a deontological direction, with all its talk of &#8220;rights&#8221; to freedom and liberty and all.  But then libertarians come back with all sorts of arguments that are supposed to show that free markets are the most effective way to distribute goods and services, suggesting that they hold to these economic views for consequentialist reasons.    Not having read the article you link to, I&#8217;d guess that this post puts you relatively far on the consequentialist side (as I consider myself).  But libertarianism as a political program seems hard to me to justify on such grounds &#8211; rather, it seems more likely that certain sectors would be extremely regulated, others would be totally free, and others would be in between, instead of the absolutes that libertarianism seems to be framed in terms of.</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/15/mary-warnock-and-the-culture-of-life/#comment-2870</link>
		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When we decide for ourselves when death is appropriate for another person, the results are often misguided and horrific&quot;

The idea here is that we are not deciding for another person when death is appropriate.  We would allow people to decide for themselves when death is appropriate, and allow them the option of asking for help with carrying out their wishes, without fear of prosecution for the other person, or the stigma that Will describes.

Watching someone close to me die of cancer made me very aware at a fairly early age that there are indeed far worse things than death.  Making someone go through the torturous pain that accompanies many terminal conditions, or drugging them into semi-consciousness just to deal with it when they would rather be dead but are too sick to do it themselves is what is cruel, in my opinion. I believe that you can say both that life is intrinsically valuable and that each has the right to decide when and how their own life, no matter how valuable, should end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When we decide for ourselves when death is appropriate for another person, the results are often misguided and horrific&#8221;</p>
<p>The idea here is that we are not deciding for another person when death is appropriate.  We would allow people to decide for themselves when death is appropriate, and allow them the option of asking for help with carrying out their wishes, without fear of prosecution for the other person, or the stigma that Will describes.</p>
<p>Watching someone close to me die of cancer made me very aware at a fairly early age that there are indeed far worse things than death.  Making someone go through the torturous pain that accompanies many terminal conditions, or drugging them into semi-consciousness just to deal with it when they would rather be dead but are too sick to do it themselves is what is cruel, in my opinion. I believe that you can say both that life is intrinsically valuable and that each has the right to decide when and how their own life, no matter how valuable, should end.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Licquia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Licquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we decide for ourselves when death is appropriate for another person, the results are often misguided and horrific (see: many late-term abortions, Death Row pardons, misguided wars, &quot;racial cleansing&quot;, political executions, September 11, many sharia law penalties, etc.)

So my fear is not that there are too many stigmas associated with death, but that there are not enough stigmas.  We may decide that some death is morally acceptable, but let&#039;s not advocate getting comfortable with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we decide for ourselves when death is appropriate for another person, the results are often misguided and horrific (see: many late-term abortions, Death Row pardons, misguided wars, &#8220;racial cleansing&#8221;, political executions, September 11, many sharia law penalties, etc.)</p>
<p>So my fear is not that there are too many stigmas associated with death, but that there are not enough stigmas.  We may decide that some death is morally acceptable, but let&#8217;s not advocate getting comfortable with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Luka Yovetich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luka Yovetich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

I see. Thanks for explaining your position. I guess I don&#039;t have a big problem with erring on the side of letting people who are not terminal but are living in undending misery consent to be killed. That doesn&#039;t sound like a bad thing to me. (I&#039;m not even sure I&#039;d call it &#039;erring.&#039; Whatwould bother me are cases where people that are depressed but could get help are being killed (in accordance with their consent). (Or other cases relevantly similar to this kind.) But there are always going to be borderline cases with things like these.

And since I consider it to be worse for a terminally ill patient to be forced to live than I do for a severely depressed person to kill himself, I think that assisted suicide should be legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>I see. Thanks for explaining your position. I guess I don&#8217;t have a big problem with erring on the side of letting people who are not terminal but are living in undending misery consent to be killed. That doesn&#8217;t sound like a bad thing to me. (I&#8217;m not even sure I&#8217;d call it &#8216;erring.&#8217; Whatwould bother me are cases where people that are depressed but could get help are being killed (in accordance with their consent). (Or other cases relevantly similar to this kind.) But there are always going to be borderline cases with things like these.</p>
<p>And since I consider it to be worse for a terminally ill patient to be forced to live than I do for a severely depressed person to kill himself, I think that assisted suicide should be legal.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/12/15/mary-warnock-and-the-culture-of-life/#comment-2867</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;there is no way to competently legislate when it is okay to kill someone&quot;

Oops - I don&#039;t mean to open a can of worms with this assertion. Let&#039;s narrow the scope of that statement to &quot;there is no way to competently legislate when someone&#039;s quality of life has reached a terminally miserable point.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;there is no way to competently legislate when it is okay to kill someone&#8221;</p>
<p>Oops &#8211; I don&#8217;t mean to open a can of worms with this assertion. Let&#8217;s narrow the scope of that statement to &#8220;there is no way to competently legislate when someone&#8217;s quality of life has reached a terminally miserable point.&#8221;</p>
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