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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you assume I am more toilet trained than the average bear? Like all anarchists, I poop where I please.</description>
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		<title>By: ugh!</title>
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		<dc:creator>ugh!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2004 00:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that infants should be taken away from their parents at birth to be raised by the bears or wolves in the forest. So what, I say, if the bears &amp; wolves eat most of the babies. Humans reproduces WAY too much and there are an indecent number of us being toilet trained here on poor, 4.5 billion year old, planet earth. Also, abortions would happily decrease because you can feed, er I mean throw your baby to the wolves instead of aborting it. The plentiful new supply of food would result in a surge in the bear &amp; wolf populations which would go a long way in making up for our ruthless extermination of those regal animals to make room for more toilet trained(?), rapatious humans like Micha. That the  libertarian social model should fail to take into account feral children is a ghastly if not beastly thought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that infants should be taken away from their parents at birth to be raised by the bears or wolves in the forest. So what, I say, if the bears &amp; wolves eat most of the babies. Humans reproduces WAY too much and there are an indecent number of us being toilet trained here on poor, 4.5 billion year old, planet earth. Also, abortions would happily decrease because you can feed, er I mean throw your baby to the wolves instead of aborting it. The plentiful new supply of food would result in a surge in the bear &amp; wolf populations which would go a long way in making up for our ruthless extermination of those regal animals to make room for more toilet trained(?), rapatious humans like Micha. That the  libertarian social model should fail to take into account feral children is a ghastly if not beastly thought!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Pearson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow; there certainly are a lot of comments here that have nothing to do with the point of the original post.  The original post dealt with using state power to enforce a particular viewpoint in compulsory education.  Because such a situation will always lead to dissatisfaction among those who do not agree with what&#039;s being taught to their children (whether it&#039;s science, religion or anything), a reasonable solution of giving parents a choice with regard to how their tax dollars will be used for educating their own children was presented.  I would say that an even more agreeable solution (though vouchers may be a step down this road and are certainly preferable to the current system) is to eliminate compulsory education entirely and to allow parents to use the funding that currently goes to public schools to educate their children as they see fit regardless of what everyone else thinks of those views.

In other words, if we really want to live in a pluralistic society, we have to respect others&#039; desire to raise their children, even if we think that their parents are teaching them harmful or absurd viewpoints.  Note: I am not condoning child abuse.  However, there is a wide range of beliefs that parents attempt to pass on to their children and school can be part of that transfer of beliefs.  Will is saying, I think, that no one should be surprised if one group complains that the political processes governing part of the values transfer process (school) favor one group&#039;s views over another.  And, further, that a good way to eliminate some of the tension among different groups is to depoliticize the process governing schooling by allowing parents to choose schools where their values are taught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow; there certainly are a lot of comments here that have nothing to do with the point of the original post.  The original post dealt with using state power to enforce a particular viewpoint in compulsory education.  Because such a situation will always lead to dissatisfaction among those who do not agree with what&#8217;s being taught to their children (whether it&#8217;s science, religion or anything), a reasonable solution of giving parents a choice with regard to how their tax dollars will be used for educating their own children was presented.  I would say that an even more agreeable solution (though vouchers may be a step down this road and are certainly preferable to the current system) is to eliminate compulsory education entirely and to allow parents to use the funding that currently goes to public schools to educate their children as they see fit regardless of what everyone else thinks of those views.</p>
<p>In other words, if we really want to live in a pluralistic society, we have to respect others&#8217; desire to raise their children, even if we think that their parents are teaching them harmful or absurd viewpoints.  Note: I am not condoning child abuse.  However, there is a wide range of beliefs that parents attempt to pass on to their children and school can be part of that transfer of beliefs.  Will is saying, I think, that no one should be surprised if one group complains that the political processes governing part of the values transfer process (school) favor one group&#8217;s views over another.  And, further, that a good way to eliminate some of the tension among different groups is to depoliticize the process governing schooling by allowing parents to choose schools where their values are taught.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob McEwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob McEwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..oops... I goofed on the formatting. The sentences starting with &quot;Stasis...&quot; and &quot;Sudden appearance...&quot; both should have been italicized because both of these are a continuation of Gould&#039;s words.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob McEwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob McEwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that, ironically, points made on &lt;em&gt;both&lt;/em&gt; sides in this argument clearly show that science (and the positions of scientists) is largely shaped by politics (unfortunately... it would be nice if we would not rule out possibilities before hand and then let the scientific method lead us wherever it goes!)

For example, since Charles Lyell first promoted Uniformitarianism in Geology, geologists were &lt;em&gt;expected&lt;/em&gt; to hold to a rigid version of Uniformitarianism with only very little to no Catastrophism... and geologists who strayed from this path (even a little bit) didn&#039;t have a chance of a successful career in Geology... they were scoffed at and made fun of.

However, now that the evidence clearly shows that large-scale past catastrophic geological events &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; occur and had tremendous impacts on the physical makeup of the planet... (we know this for sure due to more advanced technology available today) ...suddenly, having a mixture of Uniformitarianism and Catastrophism is in &quot;vogue&quot;!

This leads to questions... what does that tell us about the state of science in the 19th, 20th, &amp; 21st century? Also, if geologists merely 60, 40, and even 10 or 20 years ago had the &quot;right&quot; beliefs (about there being a mixture), but suppressed them or were persecuted for them because these beliefs were &quot;assumed&quot; to be wrong at that time (due to the scientific community being &quot;hell bent&quot; on not giving an inch to the creationists)... how can we be so sure that more of this is not going on today?

&lt;strong&gt;..and it is...&lt;/strong&gt;

As I said earlier, I can cite examples where college science professors were fired just for bringing up examples of the kind of problems with Evolution that I&#039;ve mentioned... and they were not trying to promote creationism... they were just trying to tackle these issues!

Finally, from time to time, a leading Evolutionists scientist will &quot;spill the beans&quot; and explain some of these problems.

Michael Denton&#039;s book &quot;Evolution: A Theory in Crisis&quot; was a &quot;watershed&quot; book. Denton is NOT at all a creationist. I&#039;m fairly sure that he is an atheist. More recently, he wrote additional book(s) where he speculates on some pretty wild and unconventional theories which are at odds with BOTH creationism and Neo-Darwinism... he seems to have since &quot;gone off the deep end&quot;... but, to his credit, at least he is honest enough to try his best to find a way for naturalism to work without doing the things that Neo-Darwinists do where they sweep impossibilities under the rug... you see, at least Denton is intellectually honest about it. (can&#039;t say the same for Darwinists).

Also, consider the following quotes from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/information/biography/fghij/gould_stephen.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stephen Jay Gould&lt;/a&gt;, professor of Geology and Zoology at Harvard University. (deceased in 2002) Gould was one of the few Evolutionist willing to talk candidly about these problems:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Indeed, it is the chief frustration of the fossil record that we do not have empirical evidence for sustained trends in the evolution of most complex morphological adaptations.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;&quot;But how do you get from nothing to such an elaborate something if evolution must proceed through a long sequence of intermediate stages, each favored by natural selection? You can&#039;t fly with 2% of a wing or gain much protection from an iota&#039;s similarity with a potentially concealing piece of vegetation. How, in other words, can natural selection explain these incipient stages of structures that can only be used (as we now observe them) in much more elaborated form?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
(this point is now championed by Michael Behe in his book, &quot;Darwin&#039;s Black Box&quot;)
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...and most devistating of all because this is &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; what would be expected from the evidence left behind by Creationism:

&lt;em&gt;The history of most fossil species include two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism:

1) Stasis - most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappear; morphological change is usually limited and directionless;

2) Sudden appearance - in any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and &#039;fully formed&#039;.&lt;/em&gt;
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Let me ask you, do you &lt;em&gt;now&lt;/em&gt; consider Gould a religious fanatic?

Does Gould&#039;s tenure as professor of Geology and Zoology at Harvard University make Gould not credible? ...or were you &lt;em&gt;expecting&lt;/em&gt; a professor from a small private Christian community college?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that, ironically, points made on <em>both</em> sides in this argument clearly show that science (and the positions of scientists) is largely shaped by politics (unfortunately&#8230; it would be nice if we would not rule out possibilities before hand and then let the scientific method lead us wherever it goes!)</p>
<p>For example, since Charles Lyell first promoted Uniformitarianism in Geology, geologists were <em>expected</em> to hold to a rigid version of Uniformitarianism with only very little to no Catastrophism&#8230; and geologists who strayed from this path (even a little bit) didn&#8217;t have a chance of a successful career in Geology&#8230; they were scoffed at and made fun of.</p>
<p>However, now that the evidence clearly shows that large-scale past catastrophic geological events <em>did</em> occur and had tremendous impacts on the physical makeup of the planet&#8230; (we know this for sure due to more advanced technology available today) &#8230;suddenly, having a mixture of Uniformitarianism and Catastrophism is in &#8220;vogue&#8221;!</p>
<p>This leads to questions&#8230; what does that tell us about the state of science in the 19th, 20th, &amp; 21st century? Also, if geologists merely 60, 40, and even 10 or 20 years ago had the &#8220;right&#8221; beliefs (about there being a mixture), but suppressed them or were persecuted for them because these beliefs were &#8220;assumed&#8221; to be wrong at that time (due to the scientific community being &#8220;hell bent&#8221; on not giving an inch to the creationists)&#8230; how can we be so sure that more of this is not going on today?</p>
<p><strong>..and it is&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>As I said earlier, I can cite examples where college science professors were fired just for bringing up examples of the kind of problems with Evolution that I&#8217;ve mentioned&#8230; and they were not trying to promote creationism&#8230; they were just trying to tackle these issues!</p>
<p>Finally, from time to time, a leading Evolutionists scientist will &#8220;spill the beans&#8221; and explain some of these problems.</p>
<p>Michael Denton&#8217;s book &#8220;Evolution: A Theory in Crisis&#8221; was a &#8220;watershed&#8221; book. Denton is NOT at all a creationist. I&#8217;m fairly sure that he is an atheist. More recently, he wrote additional book(s) where he speculates on some pretty wild and unconventional theories which are at odds with BOTH creationism and Neo-Darwinism&#8230; he seems to have since &#8220;gone off the deep end&#8221;&#8230; but, to his credit, at least he is honest enough to try his best to find a way for naturalism to work without doing the things that Neo-Darwinists do where they sweep impossibilities under the rug&#8230; you see, at least Denton is intellectually honest about it. (can&#8217;t say the same for Darwinists).</p>
<p>Also, consider the following quotes from <a href="http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/information/biography/fghij/gould_stephen.html" rel="nofollow">Stephen Jay Gould</a>, professor of Geology and Zoology at Harvard University. (deceased in 2002) Gould was one of the few Evolutionist willing to talk candidly about these problems:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Indeed, it is the chief frustration of the fossil record that we do not have empirical evidence for sustained trends in the evolution of most complex morphological adaptations.&#8221;</em><br />
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<em>&#8220;But how do you get from nothing to such an elaborate something if evolution must proceed through a long sequence of intermediate stages, each favored by natural selection? You can&#8217;t fly with 2% of a wing or gain much protection from an iota&#8217;s similarity with a potentially concealing piece of vegetation. How, in other words, can natural selection explain these incipient stages of structures that can only be used (as we now observe them) in much more elaborated form?&#8221;</em><br />
(this point is now championed by Michael Behe in his book, &#8220;Darwin&#8217;s Black Box&#8221;)<br />
********************<br />
&#8230;and most devistating of all because this is <em>exactly</em> what would be expected from the evidence left behind by Creationism:</p>
<p><em>The history of most fossil species include two features particularly inconsistent with gradualism:</p>
<p>1) Stasis &#8211; most species exhibit no directional change during their tenure on earth. They appear in the fossil record looking much the same as when they disappear; morphological change is usually limited and directionless;</p>
<p>2) Sudden appearance &#8211; in any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ancestors; it appears all at once and &#8216;fully formed&#8217;.</em><br />
********************</p>
<p>Let me ask you, do you <em>now</em> consider Gould a religious fanatic?</p>
<p>Does Gould&#8217;s tenure as professor of Geology and Zoology at Harvard University make Gould not credible? &#8230;or were you <em>expecting</em> a professor from a small private Christian community college?</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compare the number of theists who believe in evolution to the number of athiests who believe in intelligent design. One number is significantly positive; the other quickly approaches zero.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob McEwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob McEwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Micha said:
&lt;em&gt;So too, creationists like Rob reject evolution because &quot;intelligent design&quot; is a better fit with their religious ideology.&lt;/em&gt;

This is a two way street.

A number of years ago, the renowned biologist (and evolutionist),  Sir Julian Huxley (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rice.edu/fondren/woodson/archives/huxleysymposium.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bio&lt;/a&gt;), grandson of Thomas Huxley (btw, also the brother of Aldus Huxley, the author of &quot;Brave New World&quot;) made an interesting comment to an interviewer on a British television program. When asked why the scientific community quickly embraced evolution, Julian Huxley responded:

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;I suppose the reason we leaped at The Origin of the Species, was because the idea of God interfered with our sexual mores.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

Basically, this is a common theme. Over time, there have been literally millions of college students who &lt;em&gt;loved&lt;/em&gt; hearing that &quot;God was dead&quot; via Evolution. If there is not God, there are no absolutes and no eternal accountability to a Creator. Therefore, we set our own morals and we do whatever we please. I have heard such testimony and/or sentiments time and time again, both from converts to Christianity and from still-atheists (who were still delighted with their &quot;freedom&quot;).

But... you might be thinking, &quot;how dare Rob try to tell us how/why/what our motivations for believing Evolution&quot;... &quot;Rob doesn&#039;t know what we have learned that let us to that belief&quot;... &lt;strong&gt;exactly... and likewise regarding your views about my views&lt;/strong&gt;... no one here knows much about my religious belief or about how I discovered that Evolution was impossible.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Now, can we get back to science (for once) and off these &quot;red herring&quot; arguments?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

And speaking of fitting science to one&#039;s ideology... there were a series of conferences starting in the 60s and in the early 80s where the &quot;math&quot; and statistical models of Neo-Darwinism were discussed. These started with the 1966 Wistar Institute. Basically, during these conferences, (non-religious, BTW) statisticians and mathematicians saw that Evolution was impossible... but the biologists, paleontologists, ect. stuck to their beliefs &lt;em&gt;in spite of the scientific evidence&lt;/em&gt;

Check out the articles present by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=1966+Wistar+Institute+Philadelphia+evolution&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; Google search. For example, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/20hist12.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micha said:<br />
<em>So too, creationists like Rob reject evolution because &#8220;intelligent design&#8221; is a better fit with their religious ideology.</em></p>
<p>This is a two way street.</p>
<p>A number of years ago, the renowned biologist (and evolutionist),  Sir Julian Huxley (<a href="http://www.rice.edu/fondren/woodson/archives/huxleysymposium.html" rel="nofollow">bio</a>), grandson of Thomas Huxley (btw, also the brother of Aldus Huxley, the author of &#8220;Brave New World&#8221;) made an interesting comment to an interviewer on a British television program. When asked why the scientific community quickly embraced evolution, Julian Huxley responded:</p>
<p><strong><em>&#8220;I suppose the reason we leaped at The Origin of the Species, was because the idea of God interfered with our sexual mores.&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p>Basically, this is a common theme. Over time, there have been literally millions of college students who <em>loved</em> hearing that &#8220;God was dead&#8221; via Evolution. If there is not God, there are no absolutes and no eternal accountability to a Creator. Therefore, we set our own morals and we do whatever we please. I have heard such testimony and/or sentiments time and time again, both from converts to Christianity and from still-atheists (who were still delighted with their &#8220;freedom&#8221;).</p>
<p>But&#8230; you might be thinking, &#8220;how dare Rob try to tell us how/why/what our motivations for believing Evolution&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;Rob doesn&#8217;t know what we have learned that let us to that belief&#8221;&#8230; <strong>exactly&#8230; and likewise regarding your views about my views</strong>&#8230; no one here knows much about my religious belief or about how I discovered that Evolution was impossible.</p>
<p><strong><em>Now, can we get back to science (for once) and off these &#8220;red herring&#8221; arguments?</em></strong></p>
<p>And speaking of fitting science to one&#8217;s ideology&#8230; there were a series of conferences starting in the 60s and in the early 80s where the &#8220;math&#8221; and statistical models of Neo-Darwinism were discussed. These started with the 1966 Wistar Institute. Basically, during these conferences, (non-religious, BTW) statisticians and mathematicians saw that Evolution was impossible&#8230; but the biologists, paleontologists, ect. stuck to their beliefs <em>in spite of the scientific evidence</em></p>
<p>Check out the articles present by <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=1966+Wistar+Institute+Philadelphia+evolution" rel="nofollow">this</a> Google search. For example, <a href="http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/20hist12.htm" rel="nofollow">this</a> one.</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, as everyone familiar with the topic knows, Soviet scientists rejected Darwinian evolution, and thus natural selection and genetics, in favor of &lt;a href=&quot;http://skepdic.com/lysenko.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lysenkoism&lt;/a&gt;, because Lysenkoism was a better fit with their political ideology. So too, creationists like Rob reject evolution because &quot;intelligent design&quot; is a better fit with their religious ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, as everyone familiar with the topic knows, Soviet scientists rejected Darwinian evolution, and thus natural selection and genetics, in favor of <a href="http://skepdic.com/lysenko.html" rel="nofollow">Lysenkoism</a>, because Lysenkoism was a better fit with their political ideology. So too, creationists like Rob reject evolution because &#8220;intelligent design&#8221; is a better fit with their religious ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob McEwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob McEwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernard made fun of my last post on Kriston&#039;s blog. I should mention that, in case anyone reading this doesn&#039;t know who Thomas Huxley is, see the following page on UC Berkely page:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/thuxley.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/thuxley.html&lt;/a&gt;

Listen... I know that all of your Eugenics talk was kidding around... but the parallels were too striking to let that go... and ya&#039;ll did start sounding a lot like the &quot;progressives&quot; that are on display in Dostorevsky novels. They were all so excited about social engineering via the State... and these were obviously conversations that mirrored real conversations that Fyodor Dostorevsky had with real life &quot;progressives&quot; in his day and time... just a few years before Communistism destroyed their country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernard made fun of my last post on Kriston&#8217;s blog. I should mention that, in case anyone reading this doesn&#8217;t know who Thomas Huxley is, see the following page on UC Berkely page:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/thuxley.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/thuxley.html</a></p>
<p>Listen&#8230; I know that all of your Eugenics talk was kidding around&#8230; but the parallels were too striking to let that go&#8230; and ya&#8217;ll did start sounding a lot like the &#8220;progressives&#8221; that are on display in Dostorevsky novels. They were all so excited about social engineering via the State&#8230; and these were obviously conversations that mirrored real conversations that Fyodor Dostorevsky had with real life &#8220;progressives&#8221; in his day and time&#8230; just a few years before Communistism destroyed their country.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/11/23/warning-this-post-contains-a-discussion-of-public-reason-which-is-just-a-theory/#comment-2540</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re certainly a worthy poster child for the Creationist movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re certainly a worthy poster child for the Creationist movement.</p>
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