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	<title>Comments on: If God is Dead, Everything is Permitted . . .</title>
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	<description>The Sweet Release of Reason</description>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-674</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try this:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9802/pannenberg.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9802/pannenberg.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9802/pannenberg.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9802/pannenberg.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2004 14:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good and evil are not finally self-evident.
Some kind of a &#039;leap of faith&#039; is made in defining them at all...

&quot;Reason&#039;s last step is the recognition that there are an infinite number of things which are beyond it.&quot;    (Pascal)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good and evil are not finally self-evident.<br />
Some kind of a &#8216;leap of faith&#8217; is made in defining them at all&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Reason&#8217;s last step is the recognition that there are an infinite number of things which are beyond it.&#8221;    (Pascal)</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The minority are called sociopaths or narcissists and become lawyers or middle managers. They are commonly hated and reviled, but their evil is controlled to a degree by the majority.&quot;

Evil is controlled by the majority? Very dubious assertion, that. Ask a slave if evil is controlled by the majority, and he&#039;ll agree, it is controlled, but not in his favor.

It&#039;s true, as Micha says, the current lack of bodies on your DC sidewalk is not to be taken for granted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The minority are called sociopaths or narcissists and become lawyers or middle managers. They are commonly hated and reviled, but their evil is controlled to a degree by the majority.&#8221;</p>
<p>Evil is controlled by the majority? Very dubious assertion, that. Ask a slave if evil is controlled by the majority, and he&#8217;ll agree, it is controlled, but not in his favor.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true, as Micha says, the current lack of bodies on your DC sidewalk is not to be taken for granted.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Frost</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-671</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and I should add- the lack of corpses isn&#039;t attributable to theism, either. I&#039;m not out to make that case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and I should add- the lack of corpses isn&#8217;t attributable to theism, either. I&#8217;m not out to make that case.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Frost</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 00:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You suffer a certain failure of imagination. There are some among us who would be more than happy to step over corpses every day, provided the dead were from the right tribe, or religious group, or social class.

The current lack of bodies on your DC sidewalk is not to be taken for granted, nor is it to be attributed to the innate self-correcting properties of the human conscience.

Would that it were the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You suffer a certain failure of imagination. There are some among us who would be more than happy to step over corpses every day, provided the dead were from the right tribe, or religious group, or social class.</p>
<p>The current lack of bodies on your DC sidewalk is not to be taken for granted, nor is it to be attributed to the innate self-correcting properties of the human conscience.</p>
<p>Would that it were the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 18:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why? People don&#039;t need to believe in fairy tales in order to explain their natural predilictiosn to care about the common good. It&#039;s just a natural instict that most of us have, and some of us don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why? People don&#8217;t need to believe in fairy tales in order to explain their natural predilictiosn to care about the common good. It&#8217;s just a natural instict that most of us have, and some of us don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Ghertner</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-668</link>
		<dc:creator>Micha Ghertner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why? People don&#039;t need to believe in fairy tales in order to explain their natural predilictiosn to care about the common good. It&#039;s just a natural instict that most of us have, and some of us don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why? People don&#8217;t need to believe in fairy tales in order to explain their natural predilictiosn to care about the common good. It&#8217;s just a natural instict that most of us have, and some of us don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: John T. Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-667</link>
		<dc:creator>John T. Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If people stop beliving the story you can&#039;t just order them change their minds.

I would argue that there is in fact something in human nature that causes most people to care about the common good.&quot;

My point was that the common good won&#039;t do as a standard, but if you&#039;re on the right track at all then perhaps it was premature to dismiss natural rights as a story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If people stop beliving the story you can&#8217;t just order them change their minds.</p>
<p>I would argue that there is in fact something in human nature that causes most people to care about the common good.&#8221;</p>
<p>My point was that the common good won&#8217;t do as a standard, but if you&#8217;re on the right track at all then perhaps it was premature to dismiss natural rights as a story.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-666</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J Kennedy,

I&#039;ll agree with your latest post, but then how do we add a greater incentive?  If people stop beliving the story you can&#039;t just order them change their minds.

I would argue that there is in fact something in human nature that causes most people to care about the common good.  If it were otherwise I don&#039;t think civilization would be possible at all.  Even people who give up Christianity tend to either go to some flaky new age stuff or else they are like Will and come up to some other solution.  The minority are called sociopaths or narcissists and become lawyers or middle managers.  They are commonly hated and reviled, but their evil is controlled to a degree by the majority.  In other words, I think it is human nature that makes people care.  In their desire to rationalize they may create god, but god is secondary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Kennedy,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree with your latest post, but then how do we add a greater incentive?  If people stop beliving the story you can&#8217;t just order them change their minds.</p>
<p>I would argue that there is in fact something in human nature that causes most people to care about the common good.  If it were otherwise I don&#8217;t think civilization would be possible at all.  Even people who give up Christianity tend to either go to some flaky new age stuff or else they are like Will and come up to some other solution.  The minority are called sociopaths or narcissists and become lawyers or middle managers.  They are commonly hated and reviled, but their evil is controlled to a degree by the majority.  In other words, I think it is human nature that makes people care.  In their desire to rationalize they may create god, but god is secondary.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-665</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2004 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruling: It is indeed from the Holy Grail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruling: It is indeed from the Holy Grail.</p>
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		<title>By: John T. Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-664</link>
		<dc:creator>John T. Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2004 12:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether or not the individual will have to &quot;step over corpses on the way to Starbucks&quot; has next to nothing to do with whether that individual behaves well or not. Good behavior by an individual won&#039;t make the general chaos you deplore significantly less likely and bad behahavior won&#039;t make it significantly more likely.

So the desire to avoid that consequence is obviously not sufficient incentive behave well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not the individual will have to &#8220;step over corpses on the way to Starbucks&#8221; has next to nothing to do with whether that individual behaves well or not. Good behavior by an individual won&#8217;t make the general chaos you deplore significantly less likely and bad behahavior won&#8217;t make it significantly more likely.</p>
<p>So the desire to avoid that consequence is obviously not sufficient incentive behave well.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it from The Holy Grail?  (If I could find my copy of the script I might be able to say for sure.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it from The Holy Grail?  (If I could find my copy of the script I might be able to say for sure.)</p>
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		<title>By: Evan McElravy</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-662</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan McElravy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2004 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That terrifying Godhead is a Monty Python illustration, isn&#039;t it?

Beats me, all of M.P. I know is the John Cleese silly walk and &quot;Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.&quot; I would have guessed album art. Can we get a ruling on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That terrifying Godhead is a Monty Python illustration, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Beats me, all of M.P. I know is the John Cleese silly walk and &#8220;Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.&#8221; I would have guessed album art. Can we get a ruling on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-661</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you tell a pretty girl from an ugly girl?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you tell a pretty girl from an ugly girl?</p>
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		<title>By: John T. Kennedy</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/29/if-god-is-dead-everything-is-permitted/#comment-660</link>
		<dc:creator>John T. Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2004 18:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you tell what&#039;s good and what&#039;s evil?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you tell what&#8217;s good and what&#8217;s evil?</p>
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