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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/25/state-autonomy-and-electoral-triviality/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Minister.</description>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also add to that above: although the people don&#039;t have anything to do with the actual running of government in modernity, the government itself (throug various mechanisms of representation, sep of powers, etc.) never gets to *do* what it wants to do; it doesn&#039;t get to rule as government qua government, i.e. in its own interest.

That all changes in the 20th century -- basically ever since Woodrow Wilson, the most vastly decisive influence on American politics since Lincoln.  Government itself becomes ever more its own special interest. The Arianna Huffingtons, etc., of the world are too fucking stupid and/or arrogant to see this menacing problem however.

Why?  Because &quot;rights&quot; have become synonymous with government.  To restrict or limit government power -- heck, even the language of limited government -- is an affront on peoples rights.  Rights and desires are conflated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also add to that above: although the people don&#8217;t have anything to do with the actual running of government in modernity, the government itself (throug various mechanisms of representation, sep of powers, etc.) never gets to *do* what it wants to do; it doesn&#8217;t get to rule as government qua government, i.e. in its own interest.</p>
<p>That all changes in the 20th century &#8212; basically ever since Woodrow Wilson, the most vastly decisive influence on American politics since Lincoln.  Government itself becomes ever more its own special interest. The Arianna Huffingtons, etc., of the world are too fucking stupid and/or arrogant to see this menacing problem however.</p>
<p>Why?  Because &#8220;rights&#8221; have become synonymous with government.  To restrict or limit government power &#8212; heck, even the language of limited government &#8212; is an affront on peoples rights.  Rights and desires are conflated.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2004 00:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post.  So how do mean &quot;state,&quot; do you mean politeia?

You should know, however, that in the theory of modern government (cf. Mansfield&#039;s work on Machiavelli) -- part of what distinguishes modernity -- is that although republics and representative democracies (of some sort) arise, the people don&#039;t have anything to do with running the governmet; this, in exchange for the security govorenment provides (i.e. there was no securing and providing for individual, private interests in the ancient polity).  Oddly enough, in the 20th Century, so-called &quot;Progressives&quot; have brought about instability (say, here in the U.S.) -- both politically and socially -- through their hair-brained designs of direct democracy, democratized  demcracy etc.  But that hper-egalitarian desire comes with the very odd and uwelcomed guest of &quot;scientific administration.&quot;  And thus citizens today increasingly have less and less to do with the running of government.

&quot;Liberals&quot; and leftists are all -- wittingly or unwittingly -- epigones of Hegel&#039;s Rational State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post.  So how do mean &#8220;state,&#8221; do you mean politeia?</p>
<p>You should know, however, that in the theory of modern government (cf. Mansfield&#8217;s work on Machiavelli) &#8212; part of what distinguishes modernity &#8212; is that although republics and representative democracies (of some sort) arise, the people don&#8217;t have anything to do with running the governmet; this, in exchange for the security govorenment provides (i.e. there was no securing and providing for individual, private interests in the ancient polity).  Oddly enough, in the 20th Century, so-called &#8220;Progressives&#8221; have brought about instability (say, here in the U.S.) &#8212; both politically and socially &#8212; through their hair-brained designs of direct democracy, democratized  demcracy etc.  But that hper-egalitarian desire comes with the very odd and uwelcomed guest of &#8220;scientific administration.&#8221;  And thus citizens today increasingly have less and less to do with the running of government.</p>
<p>&#8220;Liberals&#8221; and leftists are all &#8212; wittingly or unwittingly &#8212; epigones of Hegel&#8217;s Rational State.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/25/state-autonomy-and-electoral-triviality/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post.  So how do mean &quot;state,&quot; do you mean politeia?

You should know, however, that in the theory of modern government (cf. Mansfield&#039;s work on Machiavelli) -- part of what distinguishes modernity -- is that although republics and representative democracies (of some sort) arise, the people don&#039;t have anything to do with running the governmet; this, in exchange for the security govorenment provides (i.e. there was no securing and providing for individual, private interests in the ancient polity).  Oddly enough, in the 20th Century, so-called &quot;Progressives&quot; have brought about instability (say, here in the U.S.) -- both politically and socially -- through their hair-brained designs of direct democracy, democratized  demcracy etc.  But that hper-egalitarian desire comes with the very odd and uwelcomed guest of &quot;scientific administration.&quot;  And thus citizens today increasingly have less and less to do with the running of government.

&quot;Liberals&quot; and leftists are all -- wittingly or unwittingly -- epigones of Hegel&#039;s Rational State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post.  So how do mean &#8220;state,&#8221; do you mean politeia?</p>
<p>You should know, however, that in the theory of modern government (cf. Mansfield&#8217;s work on Machiavelli) &#8212; part of what distinguishes modernity &#8212; is that although republics and representative democracies (of some sort) arise, the people don&#8217;t have anything to do with running the governmet; this, in exchange for the security govorenment provides (i.e. there was no securing and providing for individual, private interests in the ancient polity).  Oddly enough, in the 20th Century, so-called &#8220;Progressives&#8221; have brought about instability (say, here in the U.S.) &#8212; both politically and socially &#8212; through their hair-brained designs of direct democracy, democratized  demcracy etc.  But that hper-egalitarian desire comes with the very odd and uwelcomed guest of &#8220;scientific administration.&#8221;  And thus citizens today increasingly have less and less to do with the running of government.</p>
<p>&#8220;Liberals&#8221; and leftists are all &#8212; wittingly or unwittingly &#8212; epigones of Hegel&#8217;s Rational State.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/25/state-autonomy-and-electoral-triviality/#comment-468</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also add to that above: although the people don&#039;t have anything to do with the actual running of government in modernity, the government itself (throug various mechanisms of representation, sep of powers, etc.) never gets to *do* what it wants to do; it doesn&#039;t get to rule as government qua government, i.e. in its own interest.

That all changes in the 20th century -- basically ever since Woodrow Wilson, the most vastly decisive influence on American politics since Lincoln.  Government itself becomes ever more its own special interest. The Arianna Huffingtons, etc., of the world are too fucking stupid and/or arrogant to see this menacing problem however.

Why?  Because &quot;rights&quot; have become synonymous with government.  To restrict or limit government power -- heck, even the language of limited government -- is an affront on peoples rights.  Rights and desires are conflated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also add to that above: although the people don&#8217;t have anything to do with the actual running of government in modernity, the government itself (throug various mechanisms of representation, sep of powers, etc.) never gets to *do* what it wants to do; it doesn&#8217;t get to rule as government qua government, i.e. in its own interest.</p>
<p>That all changes in the 20th century &#8212; basically ever since Woodrow Wilson, the most vastly decisive influence on American politics since Lincoln.  Government itself becomes ever more its own special interest. The Arianna Huffingtons, etc., of the world are too fucking stupid and/or arrogant to see this menacing problem however.</p>
<p>Why?  Because &#8220;rights&#8221; have become synonymous with government.  To restrict or limit government power &#8212; heck, even the language of limited government &#8212; is an affront on peoples rights.  Rights and desires are conflated.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2004/07/25/state-autonomy-and-electoral-triviality/#comment-469</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Minister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Minister.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton Sherwood</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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